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Super interesting to read and get the hirers' perspective, but there's a lot here that feels really creepy and manipulative to me as a potential employee, and I

Super interesting to read and get the hirers' perspective, but there's a lot here that feels really creepy and manipulative to me as a potential employee, and I think I'd drop out of the funnel the instant someone tried one of these things on me. (Which, maybe, win-win? Maybe I'm not the employee you're looking for.) > Sometimes a candidate’s current company will counteroffer, which throws a big wrench in everything. The good news is that you can follow a few simple steps to position yourself well before a counteroffer is made: > - Candidates are less likely to reneg once they officially sign, so get them to sign your offer before they tell their employer. Good news! Employ your mark's commitment bias to advance your own position at their expense. Similarly the section just a bit later on exploding deadlines — first a few tactics on how to use exploding deadlines yourself, and then just a few sentences later, with no shame, arming the candidate with phrases to push back on exploding deadlines from other companies... I can't recommend strongly enough, patio11's classic on salary negotiation: https://www.kalzumeus.com/2012/01/23/salary-negotiation/ https://www.kalzumeus.com/2012/01/23/salary-negotiation/ But I think I might start recommending this one to job-hunters too. As a way of saying "this is what you're up against, be aware what some people will try to do to you to get you to compromise your negotiating position."

logicOnly 6y ago
That author(patio11) needs to learn copywriting. He tells people to "suck less". What a shakespeare.
- benjaminjosephw 6y ago
  "If I were a little more paranoid and a little more Marxist, I’d honestly think that..." you'd disparage a good article to get fewer people to read it and learn how to be better at salary negotiations ;) Seriously though, Shakespeare or not, patio11 has probably helped a lot of engineers do a lot better for themselves with this.

logicOnly 6y ago

That author(patio11) needs to learn copywriting. He tells people to "suck less". What a shakespeare.

benjaminjosephw 6y ago
"If I were a little more paranoid and a little more Marxist, I’d honestly think that..." you'd disparage a good article to get fewer people to read it and learn how to be better at salary negotiations ;) Seriously though, Shakespeare or not, patio11 has probably helped a lot of engineers do a lot better for themselves with this.