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To play the part of the average consumer here... why should I care exactly? I know about the concept of TV ratings so some families are allowing a computer to k

To play the part of the average consumer here... why should I care exactly? I know about the concept of TV ratings so some families are allowing a computer to keep track of what they watch. How does this hurt me? Maybe if I was using my TV as an output for my home surveillance system I would care. Otherwise it’s just displaying content featuring paid actors or other people who are already being watched by millions on TV. Samsung or whoever they sold the data to is just one more viewer for that content. I get that they can build a profile of me based on what kind of content I’m watching, but it doesn’t seem different from what Netflix or YouTube is doing anyway. Probably they’re going to use the data to show attribution for engagements on ads for media. Good for them I guess. It‘s not in my top 1000 reasons to riot personally.

CamperBob2 6y ago
Nielsen families get paid, for one thing.
Lio 6y ago
Part of the distaste is the lack of control. That a faceless, remote corporation can reach into your home and arbitrarily control a product you've purchased feels very invasive. Companies like Samsung and LG have previously had cameras and microphones silently streaming unencrypted feeds. They've also been caught running network probes to search out, catalogue and report private media. All that feels very creepy to some people such as myself. You want to say no, don't do that ...but you can't.
- nitrogen 6y ago
  Exactly. It's my house. It's my behavior. These four walls are sacrosanct. Imagine you are working from home or your kids are schooling from home, and you use the TV for meetings. Are they recording your presentation? Are pictures of your kids' classmates being fingerprinted and archived somewhere for correlation with all the other classmates? There are levels of outrageousness here: - Spying on TV through a purpose-built device: mildly annoying that every show and ad now has a tracking watermark that can be used surreptitiously, but voluntary Nielsen participation is just fine. - Spying on an app you own: YouTube collecting aggregated watch times for videos is useful to creators to avoid reaching people who don't want to watch them. Netflix collecting in-house analytics is only mildly annoying because I don't know how individualized the data is, but aggregate stats are fine. Behavioral analysis of individuals is still creepy. -Spying on all apps running on your software: Roku or a smart TV reporting what you watch in all apps is starting to approach unacceptable. Presumably appmakers know about this when they are making the apps, but a third party doesn't have the same checks and balances to make sure they aren't alienating users with creepy behavior. There is not a functioning market here because appmakers don't get a choice of how to reach users, because platform rentiers are claiming all of the users. - Spying on arbitrary video files you watch through DLNA: not okay. My work-in-progress video productions and self-ripped discs are simply none of the TV makers' business. -Spying on HDMI inputs: serious WTF. Like I can't even... WTF??? Who do they think they are?
noisem4ker 6y ago
>Probably they’re going to use the data to show attribution for engagements on ads for media. This is a problem. I don't want advertisements to be optimized for engagement. Anything that makes advertisements more effective is something I'm against.

CamperBob2 6y ago

Nielsen families get paid, for one thing.

Lio 6y ago

Part of the distaste is the lack of control. That a faceless, remote corporation can reach into your home and arbitrarily control a product you've purchased feels very invasive. Companies like Samsung and LG have previously had cameras and microphones silently streaming unencrypted feeds. They've also been caught running network probes to search out, catalogue and report private media. All that feels very creepy to some people such as myself. You want to say no, don't do that ...but you can't.

nitrogen 6y ago
Exactly. It's my house. It's my behavior. These four walls are sacrosanct. Imagine you are working from home or your kids are schooling from home, and you use the TV for meetings. Are they recording your presentation? Are pictures of your kids' classmates being fingerprinted and archived somewhere for correlation with all the other classmates? There are levels of outrageousness here: - Spying on TV through a purpose-built device: mildly annoying that every show and ad now has a tracking watermark that can be used surreptitiously, but voluntary Nielsen participation is just fine. - Spying on an app you own: YouTube collecting aggregated watch times for videos is useful to creators to avoid reaching people who don't want to watch them. Netflix collecting in-house analytics is only mildly annoying because I don't know how individualized the data is, but aggregate stats are fine. Behavioral analysis of individuals is still creepy. -Spying on all apps running on your software: Roku or a smart TV reporting what you watch in all apps is starting to approach unacceptable. Presumably appmakers know about this when they are making the apps, but a third party doesn't have the same checks and balances to make sure they aren't alienating users with creepy behavior. There is not a functioning market here because appmakers don't get a choice of how to reach users, because platform rentiers are claiming all of the users. - Spying on arbitrary video files you watch through DLNA: not okay. My work-in-progress video productions and self-ripped discs are simply none of the TV makers' business. -Spying on HDMI inputs: serious WTF. Like I can't even... WTF??? Who do they think they are?

noisem4ker 6y ago

>Probably they’re going to use the data to show attribution for engagements on ads for media. This is a problem. I don't want advertisements to be optimized for engagement. Anything that makes advertisements more effective is something I'm against.