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What competitive market? There are basically two airline manufacturers and all American Airlines have merged into the star alliance and their service is horribl

What competitive market? There are basically two airline manufacturers and all American Airlines have merged into the star alliance and their service is horrible. Maybe it would better if there was a vertically integrated airline company, why wouldn’t it?

mulmen 6y ago
This is completely false. Yes, there are "basically" two manufacturers of airliners if you define airliner as "planes made by Boeing and Airbus" and ignore... all the other airliners. Without CRJs, E-Jets and Q400s the US airline industry doesn't exist as it does today. There are three airline alliances operating in the United States [1]. Of the top 10 airlines operating in the United States [2] only three are currently members of an airline alliance. When Alaska joins Oneworld it will be four. > Maybe it would better if there was a vertically integrated airline company Do you have a more compelling reason than "maybe" to suggest why changing these regulations back to a model that was already shown to be anti competitive would provide better service? [3] > why wouldn’t it? Because we tried it and it was found to be anti competitive. [3] [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Airline_alliance https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Airline_alliance [2]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Major_airlines_of_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Major_airlines_of_the_United_S... [3]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Aircraft_and_Transport_Corporation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Aircraft_and_Transport_...
- thethethethe 6y ago
  > “ Yes, there are "basically" two manufacturers of airliners if you define airliner as "planes made by Boeing and Airbus" and ignore... all the other airliners. Without CRJs, E-Jets and Q400s the US airline industry doesn't exist as it does today.” I think it is safe to say that Airbus and Boeing hold a strong duopoly in their market segment—similar to Apple and Google in mobile actually. [0] Yes you are right about the airline alliances. > Do you have a more compelling reason than "maybe" to suggest why changing these regulations back to a model that was already shown to be anti competitive would provide better service? Maybe there would be benefits to consumers if a manufacturers focused more on user experience? Maybe service would be cheaper. Maybe more planes like the 787 would be built. I’m not necessarily advocating for this, I’m just not convinced an anti-trust case from 100 years ago over mail delivery, before modern airlines existed, is a solid reason to keep the law in place [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Competition_between_Airbus_and_Boeing?wprov=sfti1 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Competition_between_Airbus_and...
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  - mulmen 6y ago
    Do you think modern airlines would exist without the current regulations? If not why is now the time to deregulate? What changed?
    - thethethethe 6y ago
      > Do you think modern airlines would exist without the current regulations? No, but this is to my point. The current airlines in the United States are trash and have been getting worse throughout my lifetime. I don’t necessarily believe deregulation is the answer, I just don’t buy that this particular type of “trust” would be a problem for the market these days. Vertically integrated companies are successful because they are efficient and it seems silly to punish companies for achieving this
      - mulmen 6y ago
        That depends on your definition of "success". You have identified why vertically integrated companies are successful in terms of profitability. That does not in any way imply they provide a higher level of service, which is my point. What is it specifically about airlines that are "trash" today? How was it better in the past?

mulmen 6y ago

This is completely false. Yes, there are "basically" two manufacturers of airliners if you define airliner as "planes made by Boeing and Airbus" and ignore... all the other airliners. Without CRJs, E-Jets and Q400s the US airline industry doesn't exist as it does today. There are three airline alliances operating in the United States [1]. Of the top 10 airlines operating in the United States [2] only three are currently members of an airline alliance. When Alaska joins Oneworld it will be four. > Maybe it would better if there was a vertically integrated airline company Do you have a more compelling reason than "maybe" to suggest why changing these regulations back to a model that was already shown to be anti competitive would provide better service? [3] > why wouldn’t it? Because we tried it and it was found to be anti competitive. [3] [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Airline_alliance https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Airline_alliance [2]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Major_airlines_of_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Major_airlines_of_the_United_S... [3]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Aircraft_and_Transport_Corporation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Aircraft_and_Transport_...

thethethethe 6y ago
> “ Yes, there are "basically" two manufacturers of airliners if you define airliner as "planes made by Boeing and Airbus" and ignore... all the other airliners. Without CRJs, E-Jets and Q400s the US airline industry doesn't exist as it does today.” I think it is safe to say that Airbus and Boeing hold a strong duopoly in their market segment—similar to Apple and Google in mobile actually. [0] Yes you are right about the airline alliances. > Do you have a more compelling reason than "maybe" to suggest why changing these regulations back to a model that was already shown to be anti competitive would provide better service? Maybe there would be benefits to consumers if a manufacturers focused more on user experience? Maybe service would be cheaper. Maybe more planes like the 787 would be built. I’m not necessarily advocating for this, I’m just not convinced an anti-trust case from 100 years ago over mail delivery, before modern airlines existed, is a solid reason to keep the law in place [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Competition_between_Airbus_and_Boeing?wprov=sfti1 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Competition_between_Airbus_and...
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- mulmen 6y ago
  Do you think modern airlines would exist without the current regulations? If not why is now the time to deregulate? What changed?
  - thethethethe 6y ago
    > Do you think modern airlines would exist without the current regulations? No, but this is to my point. The current airlines in the United States are trash and have been getting worse throughout my lifetime. I don’t necessarily believe deregulation is the answer, I just don’t buy that this particular type of “trust” would be a problem for the market these days. Vertically integrated companies are successful because they are efficient and it seems silly to punish companies for achieving this
    - mulmen 6y ago
      That depends on your definition of "success". You have identified why vertically integrated companies are successful in terms of profitability. That does not in any way imply they provide a higher level of service, which is my point. What is it specifically about airlines that are "trash" today? How was it better in the past?