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So you think it's defensible to say that Apple is raping its users? Let's get some people who have been victims of rape in here and ask them how they feel about

by edw 15y ago

So you think it's defensible to say that Apple is raping its users? Let's get some people who have been victims of rape in here and ask them how they feel about this over-the-top analogy.

ugh 15y ago
For comparisons to be useful, you don't have to take everything literally. As far as the question of consent is concerned, the comparison is apt.
- edw 15y ago
  But why make the comparison if not to inflame? That's the point, isn't it? Comparing data collection to sex in the context of consent—as if the concept of consent applies in the same way, which is on its face a bold assertion—isn't about a logical argument, it's about trying to win a war over people's sentiments. And I think the sentiment that's being fought for here is irresponsible and simplistic.
  - ugh 15y ago
    If you chose to be inflamed ... It's simple really, many people believe that privacy relevant data shouldn't be collected without the users consent. There is nothing at all wrong with collecting location data if the user has agreed to it, that changes if said consent is missing. Just as with sex.
  - bigohms 15y ago
    I found the comparison was very apropos to the context and useful. Call me simplistic, but I'm glad it was cast and totally not inflamed (save for my original inflammation towards Apple).
    - edw 15y ago
      It's not apropos. Can you be raped by your vibrator or your blow up doll? This is about a device passively logging data, not a moral agent doing something to you. Show me the person that Apple has hurt. The only people I've been reading about here taking actions are law enforcement officials, people in black helicopters, and betrayed lovers.
      - burgerbrain 15y ago
        "Can you be raped by your vibrator or your blow up doll?" If either of those has sex with me without my consent, then yes. I would call that rape. Who in their right mind wouldn't?
        bigohms 15y ago
        Exactly. Count me as one feeling Apple's rep is severely damaged. The notion that this device stores gigs of personal data (without my prior knowledge) and has been transmitting it back to Apple, somehow this is okay with you? Not I guy, not I. More people should know.
      - pavel_lishin 15y ago
        What you view as a device passively logging data, others may view as a company actively designing a device that logs data.

by edw 15y ago

So you think it's defensible to say that Apple is raping its users? Let's get some people who have been victims of rape in here and ask them how they feel about this over-the-top analogy.

ugh 15y ago

For comparisons to be useful, you don't have to take everything literally. As far as the question of consent is concerned, the comparison is apt.

edw 15y ago
But why make the comparison if not to inflame? That's the point, isn't it? Comparing data collection to sex in the context of consent—as if the concept of consent applies in the same way, which is on its face a bold assertion—isn't about a logical argument, it's about trying to win a war over people's sentiments. And I think the sentiment that's being fought for here is irresponsible and simplistic.
- ugh 15y ago
  If you chose to be inflamed ... It's simple really, many people believe that privacy relevant data shouldn't be collected without the users consent. There is nothing at all wrong with collecting location data if the user has agreed to it, that changes if said consent is missing. Just as with sex.
- bigohms 15y ago
  I found the comparison was very apropos to the context and useful. Call me simplistic, but I'm glad it was cast and totally not inflamed (save for my original inflammation towards Apple).
  - edw 15y ago
    It's not apropos. Can you be raped by your vibrator or your blow up doll? This is about a device passively logging data, not a moral agent doing something to you. Show me the person that Apple has hurt. The only people I've been reading about here taking actions are law enforcement officials, people in black helicopters, and betrayed lovers.
    - burgerbrain 15y ago
      "Can you be raped by your vibrator or your blow up doll?" If either of those has sex with me without my consent, then yes. I would call that rape. Who in their right mind wouldn't?
      - bigohms 15y ago
        Exactly. Count me as one feeling Apple's rep is severely damaged. The notion that this device stores gigs of personal data (without my prior knowledge) and has been transmitting it back to Apple, somehow this is okay with you? Not I guy, not I. More people should know.
    - pavel_lishin 15y ago
      What you view as a device passively logging data, others may view as a company actively designing a device that logs data.