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I don't think you are understanding or respecting their argument. Population is not a relevant factor. Violent crime is the relevant factor. The amount of viole

I don't think you are understanding or respecting their argument. Population is not a relevant factor. Violent crime is the relevant factor. The amount of violent crime committed by members of a group is what correlates to higher shootings of that group. Population based analysis has many faults. For example: Say one group consisting of white people has 100 of 1 million people drowning. One group of black people has only 1 out of 1 million people drowning. You might say wow white people have a drowning problem, they can't swim. But, in this case race is irrelevant. If you looked closer you might find one group consisting of white people are more likely to live by a lake and go swimming. It is impossible to have a drowning problem when you aren't swimming. This is why population based analysis is useless and refuted by articles such as the linked. https://www.forcescience.org/2019/08/researchers-find-no-racial-disparity-in-police-deadly-forceand-thats-just-the-beginning/ https://www.forcescience.org/2019/08/researchers-find-no-rac...

romanoderoma 6y ago
Violent crime in US is relevant because the state is the one committing it. In US there are 6 homicide every 100 thousands of population, in Europe is 0.6, ten times less, in Japan it's 0.5. Do you wanna know some country that have similar stats to US? Nigeria, Sudan, Angola, Cuba, Somalia, Burundi, Zambia Some countries that have better stats? Rwanda (2.3), Mozambico, Camerun (1.4), Algeria (1.3),Burkina Faso (2.1) That already speaks volumes about what's wrong in US society, but if that wasn't enough to be considered outside the western standards, police killing stats are completely off the charts What you fail to understand with your simplistic view is that if the police kills, there is going to be a group that is more marginalized and victimised than any other, regardless if they live or not near a lake, because of prejudice and prejudice is a form of racism. If the police don't kill, like in every other developed western country (which US is not in these regards) there is not going to be any accountability of state enforced racism, but simply episodes of racism, because the single copo is a racist. If you believe that you can't have a drowning problem if you live in a city, consider that the majority of drownings that happen in my country are people not living near water that go to swim. Your mistake is believing that police killings of people of colour don't happen near a lake. You know what is true instead? That police can't kill people of colour if they don't live when they serve. Your proposition reinforce the hypothesis. Also because - you posted no relevant fact, only your opinions ("say one group ... say another group" say you are wong and making up numbers, no? Is it possible you are?) - the link you posted only talks about police report, which is a source incredibly biased. Police reports are known to be falsified to protect the police and cover their abuses. - we don't even kill mobsters and still we have almost zero killings by the police and ten times less homicides per unit of population of US. It is entirely possible if you live in a developed country that is able to produce a civilized society. US is arguably incapable of doing that. - in the end you support he idea that the only way for people of colour to not be shot and killed by the police is, using your metaphor, to avoid swimming . Which is called segregation. That's why from a distance we look at US in horror. Because US is a scary society, not only for people of colour, but especially for minorities like people of colour, which are American, have been for centuries, but are not considered as such. You should see a black American shot dead by the police as an American shot by the police. You still see at him like someone who's dead because he dared to swim.
- berryjerry 6y ago
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romanoderoma 6y ago

Violent crime in US is relevant because the state is the one committing it. In US there are 6 homicide every 100 thousands of population, in Europe is 0.6, ten times less, in Japan it's 0.5. Do you wanna know some country that have similar stats to US? Nigeria, Sudan, Angola, Cuba, Somalia, Burundi, Zambia Some countries that have better stats? Rwanda (2.3), Mozambico, Camerun (1.4), Algeria (1.3),Burkina Faso (2.1) That already speaks volumes about what's wrong in US society, but if that wasn't enough to be considered outside the western standards, police killing stats are completely off the charts What you fail to understand with your simplistic view is that if the police kills, there is going to be a group that is more marginalized and victimised than any other, regardless if they live or not near a lake, because of prejudice and prejudice is a form of racism. If the police don't kill, like in every other developed western country (which US is not in these regards) there is not going to be any accountability of state enforced racism, but simply episodes of racism, because the single copo is a racist. If you believe that you can't have a drowning problem if you live in a city, consider that the majority of drownings that happen in my country are people not living near water that go to swim. Your mistake is believing that police killings of people of colour don't happen near a lake. You know what is true instead? That police can't kill people of colour if they don't live when they serve. Your proposition reinforce the hypothesis. Also because - you posted no relevant fact, only your opinions ("say one group ... say another group" say you are wong and making up numbers, no? Is it possible you are?) - the link you posted only talks about police report, which is a source incredibly biased. Police reports are known to be falsified to protect the police and cover their abuses. - we don't even kill mobsters and still we have almost zero killings by the police and ten times less homicides per unit of population of US. It is entirely possible if you live in a developed country that is able to produce a civilized society. US is arguably incapable of doing that. - in the end you support he idea that the only way for people of colour to not be shot and killed by the police is, using your metaphor, to avoid swimming . Which is called segregation. That's why from a distance we look at US in horror. Because US is a scary society, not only for people of colour, but especially for minorities like people of colour, which are American, have been for centuries, but are not considered as such. You should see a black American shot dead by the police as an American shot by the police. You still see at him like someone who's dead because he dared to swim.

berryjerry 6y ago
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