> Alternatively it's almost like Microsoft made a concerted effort to stop being the biggest scumbags in the entire industry and started doing some nice things,

> Alternatively it's almost like Microsoft made a concerted effort to stop being the biggest scumbags in the entire industry and started doing some nice things, and people adjusted their opinions based on new evidence. What evidence? Microsoft has been going more towards the "facebook" route with their move to turn the windows OS into a data collecting platform. And their "open source" move is filled with "telemetry". > Not everything has to be some giant conspiracy. Here comes those "conspiracy" talk. Everybody and their grandmother uses "conspiracy" as an argument against things they disagree with. I didn't say it was conspiracy. That corporations have PR campaigns isn't new. As a matter of fact, the founder of the site you are on wrote about it. http://paulgraham.com/submarine.html http://paulgraham.com/submarine.html To imply otherwise would be a conspiracy. > (As for Apple, I strongly disagree with your take. I've seen almost nothing but negative sentiment towards Apple for years now, even from former fanboys) You've seen nothing but negative sentiment about apple? Where? Here, they are mostly championed as the "anti-facebook". But maybe we are reading different threads.