I said its used for groups of either sex, which it is. I didn't claim (or "pretend") it was gender neutral. It's not as simple as having multiple definitions:

I said its used for groups of either sex, which it is. I didn't claim (or "pretend") it was gender neutral. It's not as simple as having multiple definitions: it has different meaning for different contexts, but it otherwise consistent within those contexts. A "tainted" context is one not generalisable because it is an idiom; much like proper nouns are not generalisable. Using "guys" to refer to mixed groups is generalisable to all situations with similar context - its not an idiom. > a packaging guy Is use of "guy" as plural, which I've never seen refer to mixed groups, hence is not the same context.