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It is. But @trowaway888 is a 35 minute old throwaway sea-lion account - they're not interested in discussion

by edoceo 6y ago

kbenson 6y ago
Whether they are interested or not, they aren't the only person that will see the reply. Sea-lioning seems to work best when people have left their reasoning out. For a site like this, sea-lioning at the base level is probably a public service. It's when it's used against people that have already explained themselves that it's problematic.
- polynomial 6y ago
  Interesting, I learned a new word today. Would the repeated questioning of Trump about White Supremacy fall under this trope?
  - kbenson 6y ago
    Honestly, I heard it for the first time within the last week myself. While I'm sure it is a problem in some cases, so far I've seen more people complaining about sea-lioning than actual cases where it was both obvious it was being used as a tactic and negative. As for Trump, maybe I could see it if he didn't stumble or fail to answer half the time, and come up with a controversial and ambiguous answer the rest of the time, and didn't spend of lot of effort communicating what seems like the opposite of his official answers on his own time? He's not the kind of person it's easy to say has a specific opinion or stance since he's contradicting himself constantly and revising earlier statements by saying they were jokes, but then later they were jokes but not really.... So who knows.
polynomial 6y ago
Thanks, I appreciate the reply. I don't ofc appreciate whoever randomly downvoted me. Creep.
trowaway888 6y ago
I chose a trowaway account explicitly because I recognize this as a controversial topic. That does not mean I am not interested in discussion - I am, genuine discussion. I don't know what a sea-lion account is. That doesn't mean it's not, but based on the perceived implication I don't think it is. I'm not sure why it is acceptable to defame a company or its Founders. Inflammatory comments without citation are worth questioning. I am very interested in the assertion Palantir is a threat to liberty if it is true. And equally so if it is not. As far as I can tell it is not. Furthermore, if the discussion takes down a rabbit-hole that ultimately points to where the responsibility and accountability then all the better for concerned citizens. It might be elected officials are where we should channel our energy, if it's intelligence and military, perhaps oversight should be the target. I don't claim to have any or all of the answers. It just seems odd to create a boogie-person in Palantir. It's been said elsewhere in a similar fashion, but is database technology a threat to liberty? What about database administrators? A "threat to liberty" is a pretty serious accusation.

It is. But @trowaway888 is a 35 minute old throwaway sea-lion account - they're not interested in discussion

by edoceo 6y ago

It is. But @trowaway888 is a 35 minute old throwaway sea-lion account - they're not interested in discussion

Whether they are interested or not, they aren't the only person that will see the reply. Sea-lioning seems to work best when people have left their reasoning out. For a site like this, sea-lioning at the base level is probably a public service. It's when it's used against people that have already explained themselves that it's problematic.

polynomial 6y ago
Interesting, I learned a new word today. Would the repeated questioning of Trump about White Supremacy fall under this trope?
- kbenson 6y ago
  Honestly, I heard it for the first time within the last week myself. While I'm sure it is a problem in some cases, so far I've seen more people complaining about sea-lioning than actual cases where it was both obvious it was being used as a tactic and negative. As for Trump, maybe I could see it if he didn't stumble or fail to answer half the time, and come up with a controversial and ambiguous answer the rest of the time, and didn't spend of lot of effort communicating what seems like the opposite of his official answers on his own time? He's not the kind of person it's easy to say has a specific opinion or stance since he's contradicting himself constantly and revising earlier statements by saying they were jokes, but then later they were jokes but not really.... So who knows.

polynomial 6y ago

Thanks, I appreciate the reply. I don't ofc appreciate whoever randomly downvoted me. Creep.

trowaway888 6y ago

I chose a trowaway account explicitly because I recognize this as a controversial topic. That does not mean I am not interested in discussion - I am, genuine discussion. I don't know what a sea-lion account is. That doesn't mean it's not, but based on the perceived implication I don't think it is. I'm not sure why it is acceptable to defame a company or its Founders. Inflammatory comments without citation are worth questioning. I am very interested in the assertion Palantir is a threat to liberty if it is true. And equally so if it is not. As far as I can tell it is not. Furthermore, if the discussion takes down a rabbit-hole that ultimately points to where the responsibility and accountability then all the better for concerned citizens. It might be elected officials are where we should channel our energy, if it's intelligence and military, perhaps oversight should be the target. I don't claim to have any or all of the answers. It just seems odd to create a boogie-person in Palantir. It's been said elsewhere in a similar fashion, but is database technology a threat to liberty? What about database administrators? A "threat to liberty" is a pretty serious accusation.