You can find 30-60" 1080P "dumb" TVs for >$400 relatively easily, but 4K/8K/bigger panels are almost always "smart". These big modern panels are a commodity and

You can find 30-60" 1080P "dumb" TVs for >$400 relatively easily, but 4K/8K/bigger panels are almost always "smart". These big modern panels are a commodity and the manufacturers snap them up to use in the fastest selling models. Hopefully in the next 2-10 years we will see a renaissance of high quality affordable dumb TVs as people continue to learn about data collection/ads/etc