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Hi! These are great questions. Thanks for your interest. At the low end of the winemaking market ($5/bottle), grapes are a commodity that provide sugars for a
by jmheflin 6y ago
Hi!
These are great questions. Thanks for your interest.
At the low end of the winemaking market ($5/bottle), grapes are a commodity that provide sugars for alcoholic fermentation. At the high end of the market ($100+/bottle), each vine is individually managed to maximize grape quality. Our grapes will be priced comparable to other grapes at the high end of the market. Right now, Napa Valley Cabernet Sauvignon grapes sell for about $8000/ton. However, annual yields fluctuate wildly, so our greenhouse grown product may be used by some winemakers as hedge against the risk of down years. Growing indoors also allows us to produce grapes at any time of year, potentially allowing winemakers to ferment two or more batches per year. Growing the grapes takes about 6 months from budbreak to harvest.
Grape vines take up water and simple nutrients like nitrogen, potassium and calcium from the soil. The grapes make all of their more complex biomolecules, including the flavor molecules in-house. Water stress and nutrient deficiencies can have positive impacts on the flavor compounds that accumulate inside the berries. Growing hydroponically gives us the ability to better control these elements, leading to increased accumulation of important flavor molecules. Sun exposure and temperature will also be optimized to maximize biosynthesis of flavor compounds.
It is hard to say if these grapes will taste as good or better than their soil grown counterparts. Grape quality is usually based on three measurements: Brix, pH, and TA. If these three ripeness indicators fall in a specified range, the winemaker will come into the vineyard and taste the grapes. Each winemaker has different flavor preferences, but as long as we can hit the marks for the three quantitative quality indicators, we should have a good start.
Growing the grapes indoors will hopefully provide winemakers with peace of mind. These crops will not be susceptible to pest or disease pressures that often influence harvest decisions. I know right now in CA, a lot of growers are harvesting before the grapes have fully matured to try and avoid smoke taint. In general, the longer the grapes can hang on the vine, the more interesting the flavor profile becomes. Growing in a controlled environment allows for unlimited hang time as we do not have many of the usual pressures like bunch rot, birds, heat waves, heavy rains etc.
The last thing I will say is that climate change is negatively effecting wine growing regions around the world, impacting their ability to grow high quality grapes. The most immediate negative effect in my opinion will be the early breakdown of malic acid in the berries. This acid is important in malolactic fermentation. Growing grapes in a greenhouse with climate control would help to mitigate the impacts of climate change on wine quality. For more on climate change and wine, here is an interesting article I read recently.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/food/climate-change-is-reshaping-wine-as-we-know-it/2019/06/06/7d8082c8-8861-11e9-98c1-e945ae5db8fb_story.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/food/climate-change...
Cheers!
- ConsiderCrying 6y agoWould you say you're aiming for the high end market or is that too risky of a venture, relying on reaching the appropriate and steep quality level, when the lower end would be easier? It seems like you've put substantial effort into this so I'm presuming you're shooting for the stars.
- jmheflin 6y agoThanks for your question! Grapes used for making bulk wine wholesale for about $2000/ton. I am not yet able to produce them at that price point. For now, I am hoping to partner with a vineyard that wants to make the highest quality wine possible, and is willing to pay for grapes that enable them to do so.
- zaphod12 6y agoI mean the argument is you're going to lose any sense of Terroir...and that is a huge amount of the cost at the high end of the market. Sure, you pay for taste, but you also pay enormously for origin and provenance.
- jmheflin 6y agoAbsolutely agree. I am not going to convince people that wine origin doesn’t matter. But I believe that 15% of grapes from a ‘Napa Valley Cab Sauv’ labeled wine can be grown outside of Napa. 25% if the wine is labeled as a ‘North Coast Cab Sauv'. So maybe the project is good for these types of situations.
- jfengel 6y agoRather than a vineyard, perhaps you'd want to seek out a "custom crush" facility? You could locate an experienced hobbyist who wants to make a small amount of high-end wine, but doesn't have a full set of facilities. And you could locate several different makers, giving you multiple chances per year of finding a set of growing parameters to show progress towards an exceptional wine. Making a ton of wine at a custom crush house could cost around $5,000, so you're talking about people with multi-thousand-dollar hobbies. You might be able to talk them into taking a flyer on expensive, experimental grapes. It would be a lot of work to handle a lot of sales one ton at a time, but perhaps easier than finding a high-end winemaker willing to take a risk on unproven growing techniques.