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> Racist police is a popular media narrative, but it's not backed up by evidence. What I posted earlier IS evidence. It comes from official statistics https:

> Racist police is a popular media narrative, but it's not backed up by evidence. What I posted earlier IS evidence. It comes from official statistics https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6080222/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6080222/ Victims were majority white (52%) but disproportionately black (32%) with a fatality rate 2.8 times higher among blacks than whites I imagined people from the US knew their country better than me, that am from Italy, where police doesn't kill us anyway, regardless of the colour of our skin, and in those rare cases when it happens, because sometimes it happens here too, nobody take the killer's side. If we needed more proof on what's wrong in US culture, your line of thinking - or should I call it bury the head in the sand? - is one. Genuine question: what would it take for you to admit it? I mean, if you tell me "in Italy you have mafia" I would answer, "yes, and I am ashamed of it". I wouldn't try to hide it, like you tried to do with the police brutality in your country (large part of the system racism in US is the fact that some ethnicities are more in danger of being killed or victimized by the police, having their lives and careers prospects ruined forever).

akvadrako 6y ago
You may be misreading that paper because it doesn't back up your claim. Blacks are more likely to have confrontations with police and also more likely to be killed by them. There are explanations for that which aren't police racism. Blacks also have a higher fatality rate for being murdered by criminals. The ratio is many times higher than 2.8. Are you saying the criminals are racist?
- romanoderoma 6y ago
  I have confrontations every time with the police in my country. I'm still alive.
- romanoderoma 6y ago
  To be clear, you may not understand what the problem is. For 2019, it reported a total of 1,004 people shot and killed by police It's 1 kill every 328 thousands citizens. In my country it's 1 every 20 millions. 20,000,000/328,000 =~ 60 If you can't see that's what you would expect from a narco state run by warlord criminals, I don't really know how to help you. Or maybe that's exactly what you want. Because what you are saying is that the police in your country have, more or less, the same behaviour of criminals. You might be onto something there. Enjoy your violence man... But I don't wish for it in my backyard Sorry not sorry!
  - berryjerry 6y ago
    I don't think you are understanding or respecting their argument. Population is not a relevant factor. Violent crime is the relevant factor. The amount of violent crime committed by members of a group is what correlates to higher shootings of that group. Population based analysis has many faults. For example: Say one group consisting of white people has 100 of 1 million people drowning. One group of black people has only 1 out of 1 million people drowning. You might say wow white people have a drowning problem, they can't swim. But, in this case race is irrelevant. If you looked closer you might find one group consisting of white people are more likely to live by a lake and go swimming. It is impossible to have a drowning problem when you aren't swimming. This is why population based analysis is useless and refuted by articles such as the linked. https://www.forcescience.org/2019/08/researchers-find-no-racial-disparity-in-police-deadly-forceand-thats-just-the-beginning/ https://www.forcescience.org/2019/08/researchers-find-no-rac...
    - romanoderoma 6y ago
      Violent crime in US is relevant because the state is the one committing it. In US there are 6 homicide every 100 thousands of population, in Europe is 0.6, ten times less, in Japan it's 0.5. Do you wanna know some country that have similar stats to US? Nigeria, Sudan, Angola, Cuba, Somalia, Burundi, Zambia Some countries that have better stats? Rwanda (2.3), Mozambico, Camerun (1.4), Algeria (1.3),Burkina Faso (2.1) That already speaks volumes about what's wrong in US society, but if that wasn't enough to be considered outside the western standards, police killing stats are completely off the charts What you fail to understand with your simplistic view is that if the police kills, there is going to be a group that is more marginalized and victimised than any other, regardless if they live or not near a lake, because of prejudice and prejudice is a form of racism. If the police don't kill, like in every other developed western country (which US is not in these regards) there is not going to be any accountability of state enforced racism, but simply episodes of racism, because the single copo is a racist. If you believe that you can't have a drowning problem if you live in a city, consider that the majority of drownings that happen in my country are people not living near water that go to swim. Your mistake is believing that police killings of people of colour don't happen near a lake. You know what is true instead? That police can't kill people of colour if they don't live when they serve. Your proposition reinforce the hypothesis. Also because - you posted no relevant fact, only your opinions ("say one group ... say another group" say you are wong and making up numbers, no? Is it possible you are?) - the link you posted only talks about police report, which is a source incredibly biased. Police reports are known to be falsified to protect the police and cover their abuses. - we don't even kill mobsters and still we have almost zero killings by the police and ten times less homicides per unit of population of US. It is entirely possible if you live in a developed country that is able to produce a civilized society. US is arguably incapable of doing that. - in the end you support he idea that the only way for people of colour to not be shot and killed by the police is, using your metaphor, to avoid swimming . Which is called segregation. That's why from a distance we look at US in horror. Because US is a scary society, not only for people of colour, but especially for minorities like people of colour, which are American, have been for centuries, but are not considered as such. You should see a black American shot dead by the police as an American shot by the police. You still see at him like someone who's dead because he dared to swim.

akvadrako 6y ago

You may be misreading that paper because it doesn't back up your claim. Blacks are more likely to have confrontations with police and also more likely to be killed by them. There are explanations for that which aren't police racism. Blacks also have a higher fatality rate for being murdered by criminals. The ratio is many times higher than 2.8. Are you saying the criminals are racist?

romanoderoma 6y ago
I have confrontations every time with the police in my country. I'm still alive.
romanoderoma 6y ago
To be clear, you may not understand what the problem is. For 2019, it reported a total of 1,004 people shot and killed by police It's 1 kill every 328 thousands citizens. In my country it's 1 every 20 millions. 20,000,000/328,000 =~ 60 If you can't see that's what you would expect from a narco state run by warlord criminals, I don't really know how to help you. Or maybe that's exactly what you want. Because what you are saying is that the police in your country have, more or less, the same behaviour of criminals. You might be onto something there. Enjoy your violence man... But I don't wish for it in my backyard Sorry not sorry!
- berryjerry 6y ago
  I don't think you are understanding or respecting their argument. Population is not a relevant factor. Violent crime is the relevant factor. The amount of violent crime committed by members of a group is what correlates to higher shootings of that group. Population based analysis has many faults. For example: Say one group consisting of white people has 100 of 1 million people drowning. One group of black people has only 1 out of 1 million people drowning. You might say wow white people have a drowning problem, they can't swim. But, in this case race is irrelevant. If you looked closer you might find one group consisting of white people are more likely to live by a lake and go swimming. It is impossible to have a drowning problem when you aren't swimming. This is why population based analysis is useless and refuted by articles such as the linked. https://www.forcescience.org/2019/08/researchers-find-no-racial-disparity-in-police-deadly-forceand-thats-just-the-beginning/ https://www.forcescience.org/2019/08/researchers-find-no-rac...
  - romanoderoma 6y ago
    Violent crime in US is relevant because the state is the one committing it. In US there are 6 homicide every 100 thousands of population, in Europe is 0.6, ten times less, in Japan it's 0.5. Do you wanna know some country that have similar stats to US? Nigeria, Sudan, Angola, Cuba, Somalia, Burundi, Zambia Some countries that have better stats? Rwanda (2.3), Mozambico, Camerun (1.4), Algeria (1.3),Burkina Faso (2.1) That already speaks volumes about what's wrong in US society, but if that wasn't enough to be considered outside the western standards, police killing stats are completely off the charts What you fail to understand with your simplistic view is that if the police kills, there is going to be a group that is more marginalized and victimised than any other, regardless if they live or not near a lake, because of prejudice and prejudice is a form of racism. If the police don't kill, like in every other developed western country (which US is not in these regards) there is not going to be any accountability of state enforced racism, but simply episodes of racism, because the single copo is a racist. If you believe that you can't have a drowning problem if you live in a city, consider that the majority of drownings that happen in my country are people not living near water that go to swim. Your mistake is believing that police killings of people of colour don't happen near a lake. You know what is true instead? That police can't kill people of colour if they don't live when they serve. Your proposition reinforce the hypothesis. Also because - you posted no relevant fact, only your opinions ("say one group ... say another group" say you are wong and making up numbers, no? Is it possible you are?) - the link you posted only talks about police report, which is a source incredibly biased. Police reports are known to be falsified to protect the police and cover their abuses. - we don't even kill mobsters and still we have almost zero killings by the police and ten times less homicides per unit of population of US. It is entirely possible if you live in a developed country that is able to produce a civilized society. US is arguably incapable of doing that. - in the end you support he idea that the only way for people of colour to not be shot and killed by the police is, using your metaphor, to avoid swimming . Which is called segregation. That's why from a distance we look at US in horror. Because US is a scary society, not only for people of colour, but especially for minorities like people of colour, which are American, have been for centuries, but are not considered as such. You should see a black American shot dead by the police as an American shot by the police. You still see at him like someone who's dead because he dared to swim.