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> but that doesn't mean we don't have racism Absolutely right! We do have racism. But "systemic racism" is on a whole another level in US. It's in the syste

> but that doesn't mean we don't have racism Absolutely right! We do have racism. But "systemic racism" is on a whole another level in US. It's in the system means "you can be shot and killed just because you are of some ethnicity" by those that sworn to protect and serve. I'm scared only thinking about it. I would live in constant fear. Plus, it is true that Europe society is not racism free, it is also true that US society is not racism free as well. At least in Europe we don' t have to fight against police racism on the same scale. p.s.: my reference to the police brutality is linked to what's said in the article "to be black is to live in perpetual terror of being murdered by the state. But Britain is not America"

akvadrako 6y ago
> But "systemic racism" is on a whole another level in US. You have a very skewed view of race relations in the US. Racist police is a popular media narrative, but it's not backed up by evidence. Cops are more likely to kill a white fugitive then a black one; black cops are just as likely to kill as white cops; many victims of police violence are white; etc...
- romanoderoma 6y ago
  > Racist police is a popular media narrative, but it's not backed up by evidence. What I posted earlier IS evidence. It comes from official statistics https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6080222/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6080222/ Victims were majority white (52%) but disproportionately black (32%) with a fatality rate 2.8 times higher among blacks than whites I imagined people from the US knew their country better than me, that am from Italy, where police doesn't kill us anyway, regardless of the colour of our skin, and in those rare cases when it happens, because sometimes it happens here too, nobody take the killer's side. If we needed more proof on what's wrong in US culture, your line of thinking - or should I call it bury the head in the sand? - is one. Genuine question: what would it take for you to admit it? I mean, if you tell me "in Italy you have mafia" I would answer, "yes, and I am ashamed of it". I wouldn't try to hide it, like you tried to do with the police brutality in your country (large part of the system racism in US is the fact that some ethnicities are more in danger of being killed or victimized by the police, having their lives and careers prospects ruined forever).
  - akvadrako 6y ago
    You may be misreading that paper because it doesn't back up your claim. Blacks are more likely to have confrontations with police and also more likely to be killed by them. There are explanations for that which aren't police racism. Blacks also have a higher fatality rate for being murdered by criminals. The ratio is many times higher than 2.8. Are you saying the criminals are racist?
    - romanoderoma 6y ago
      I have confrontations every time with the police in my country. I'm still alive.
    - romanoderoma 6y ago
      To be clear, you may not understand what the problem is. For 2019, it reported a total of 1,004 people shot and killed by police It's 1 kill every 328 thousands citizens. In my country it's 1 every 20 millions. 20,000,000/328,000 =~ 60 If you can't see that's what you would expect from a narco state run by warlord criminals, I don't really know how to help you. Or maybe that's exactly what you want. Because what you are saying is that the police in your country have, more or less, the same behaviour of criminals. You might be onto something there. Enjoy your violence man... But I don't wish for it in my backyard Sorry not sorry!
      - berryjerry 6y ago
        I don't think you are understanding or respecting their argument. Population is not a relevant factor. Violent crime is the relevant factor. The amount of violent crime committed by members of a group is what correlates to higher shootings of that group. Population based analysis has many faults. For example: Say one group consisting of white people has 100 of 1 million people drowning. One group of black people has only 1 out of 1 million people drowning. You might say wow white people have a drowning problem, they can't swim. But, in this case race is irrelevant. If you looked closer you might find one group consisting of white people are more likely to live by a lake and go swimming. It is impossible to have a drowning problem when you aren't swimming. This is why population based analysis is useless and refuted by articles such as the linked. https://www.forcescience.org/2019/08/researchers-find-no-racial-disparity-in-police-deadly-forceand-thats-just-the-beginning/ https://www.forcescience.org/2019/08/researchers-find-no-rac...
- funcDropShadow 6y ago
  But, they are way more likely to kill at all in the US. And that is a very large problem, not only of the police, but also of a society that believes everyone should carry a gun to be able to fight against "the state".
dang 6y ago
We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24661268 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24661268.

akvadrako 6y ago

> But "systemic racism" is on a whole another level in US. You have a very skewed view of race relations in the US. Racist police is a popular media narrative, but it's not backed up by evidence. Cops are more likely to kill a white fugitive then a black one; black cops are just as likely to kill as white cops; many victims of police violence are white; etc...

romanoderoma 6y ago
> Racist police is a popular media narrative, but it's not backed up by evidence. What I posted earlier IS evidence. It comes from official statistics https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6080222/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6080222/ Victims were majority white (52%) but disproportionately black (32%) with a fatality rate 2.8 times higher among blacks than whites I imagined people from the US knew their country better than me, that am from Italy, where police doesn't kill us anyway, regardless of the colour of our skin, and in those rare cases when it happens, because sometimes it happens here too, nobody take the killer's side. If we needed more proof on what's wrong in US culture, your line of thinking - or should I call it bury the head in the sand? - is one. Genuine question: what would it take for you to admit it? I mean, if you tell me "in Italy you have mafia" I would answer, "yes, and I am ashamed of it". I wouldn't try to hide it, like you tried to do with the police brutality in your country (large part of the system racism in US is the fact that some ethnicities are more in danger of being killed or victimized by the police, having their lives and careers prospects ruined forever).
- akvadrako 6y ago
  You may be misreading that paper because it doesn't back up your claim. Blacks are more likely to have confrontations with police and also more likely to be killed by them. There are explanations for that which aren't police racism. Blacks also have a higher fatality rate for being murdered by criminals. The ratio is many times higher than 2.8. Are you saying the criminals are racist?
  - romanoderoma 6y ago
    I have confrontations every time with the police in my country. I'm still alive.
  - romanoderoma 6y ago
    To be clear, you may not understand what the problem is. For 2019, it reported a total of 1,004 people shot and killed by police It's 1 kill every 328 thousands citizens. In my country it's 1 every 20 millions. 20,000,000/328,000 =~ 60 If you can't see that's what you would expect from a narco state run by warlord criminals, I don't really know how to help you. Or maybe that's exactly what you want. Because what you are saying is that the police in your country have, more or less, the same behaviour of criminals. You might be onto something there. Enjoy your violence man... But I don't wish for it in my backyard Sorry not sorry!
    - berryjerry 6y ago
      I don't think you are understanding or respecting their argument. Population is not a relevant factor. Violent crime is the relevant factor. The amount of violent crime committed by members of a group is what correlates to higher shootings of that group. Population based analysis has many faults. For example: Say one group consisting of white people has 100 of 1 million people drowning. One group of black people has only 1 out of 1 million people drowning. You might say wow white people have a drowning problem, they can't swim. But, in this case race is irrelevant. If you looked closer you might find one group consisting of white people are more likely to live by a lake and go swimming. It is impossible to have a drowning problem when you aren't swimming. This is why population based analysis is useless and refuted by articles such as the linked. https://www.forcescience.org/2019/08/researchers-find-no-racial-disparity-in-police-deadly-forceand-thats-just-the-beginning/ https://www.forcescience.org/2019/08/researchers-find-no-rac...
funcDropShadow 6y ago
But, they are way more likely to kill at all in the US. And that is a very large problem, not only of the police, but also of a society that believes everyone should carry a gun to be able to fight against "the state".

dang 6y ago

We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24661268 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24661268.