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A mostly good article. > There has, for example, been a lot of concern about the underrepresentation of black Britons in professions like the arts and publishi

by DanBC 6y ago

A mostly good article. > There has, for example, been a lot of concern about the underrepresentation of black Britons in professions like the arts and publishing. But why would you choose to go into theater or journalism—rather than law, medicine or finance—if you are a talented child of ambitious but not well off immigrants? A really weird point. There's plenty of concern about under-representation of black people in law, and medicine, and finance. In law there is a lot of effort spent getting more black lawyers and judges into the system, and we've recently seen the experience of Alexandra Wilson who was mistaken for a defendant at least 3 times in one day in her place of work. https://www.lawgazette.co.uk/news/investigation-launched-after-black-barrister-mistaken-for-defendant/5105752.article https://www.lawgazette.co.uk/news/investigation-launched-aft... In healthcare we have NHSWRES (NHS Workforce Race Equality Standard) who are trying to increase representation in NHS exec and non-exec teams. > In a country in which black people make up only three percent of the population, for example, six percent of junior doctors are black. They got this information from here: https://www.ethnicity-facts-figures.service.gov.uk/workforce-and-business/workforce-diversity/nhs-workforce/latest#by-ethnicity https://www.ethnicity-facts-figures.service.gov.uk/workforce... If we're looking at racism we don't want to compare junior doctors with journalists. We want to compare junior doctors to consultants and senior leaders. We also want to compare the different levels of junior doctors to each other to see if the ratio of black:white doctors changes. https://www.ethnicity-facts-figures.service.gov.uk/workforce-and-business/workforce-diversity/nhs-workforce/latest https://www.ethnicity-facts-figures.service.gov.uk/workforce... > a higher percentage of junior doctors were from the Black, Chinese, Mixed and Other groups than senior doctors We can see that 6.2% of junior doctors are black, but only 3.5% of consultants are black. Where did all those juniors go?

henrikschroder 6y ago
> We can see that 6.2% of junior doctors are black, but only 3.5% of consultants are black. Where did all those juniors go? If 3% of the population is black, then having 3.5% of consultants being black means they're still overrepresented! Regression to the mean is the most likely explanation.
- Macha 6y ago
  Also how long has the proportion of junior doctors been 6%? If the ratio 15-20 years ago was closer to 3-4%, and medicine is a slow field to progress through, then there's your answer.
mr_toad 6y ago
> We can see that 6.2% of junior doctors are black, but only 3.5% of consultants are black. Where did all those juniors go? It takes a long time for demographic shifts to work their way through a population. Senior medical staff are more likely to be white, male, and old. But in a few decades that’s going to look very different.
- Macha 6y ago
  Well, presumably not the old part, unless career progression in the medical space speeds up somehow.

by DanBC 6y ago

henrikschroder 6y ago

> We can see that 6.2% of junior doctors are black, but only 3.5% of consultants are black. Where did all those juniors go? If 3% of the population is black, then having 3.5% of consultants being black means they're still overrepresented! Regression to the mean is the most likely explanation.

Macha 6y ago
Also how long has the proportion of junior doctors been 6%? If the ratio 15-20 years ago was closer to 3-4%, and medicine is a slow field to progress through, then there's your answer.

mr_toad 6y ago

> We can see that 6.2% of junior doctors are black, but only 3.5% of consultants are black. Where did all those juniors go? It takes a long time for demographic shifts to work their way through a population. Senior medical staff are more likely to be white, male, and old. But in a few decades that’s going to look very different.

Macha 6y ago
Well, presumably not the old part, unless career progression in the medical space speeds up somehow.