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But to that intensity, ingrained-ness? That's not how it is in the UK[0] - to anywhere near that degree I mean. edit: the UK is the only culture I'm really fam

But to that intensity, ingrained-ness? That's not how it is in the UK[0] - to anywhere near that degree I mean. edit: the UK is the only culture I'm really familiar with

avighnay 6y ago
you did rob us with unparalleled intensity over 300 years, is that ingrained? edit: I only know UK as an imperialist
- pettycashstash2 6y ago
  This made me chuckle. I only know US as an immigrant.
  - throwaway_pdp09 6y ago
    Likewise. Had a good giggle, so who's so sensitive they have to flag and kill?
- throwaway_pdp09 6y ago
  Ah, sorry :) More seriously, I have heard on a TV programme, and I have NO DATA for this, that britain put more resources and/or cash into the US than it ever got out (edit: until the US became independent, which is about the 300 years the poster mentioned). Does anyone know reliable sources that can verify, refute or somehow qualify that statement? Edit: why is the parent post flagged and dead? Flagging should be used for proper offence, which I did not take and led me to an interesting question.
  - avighnay 6y ago
    Glad that no offence was taken, my intent was to throw spot light on the root comment where it is easy to generalize on any human community. We all need to restrain ourselves from that urge. I don't mind it being flagged either, it does happen when perspectives are not fully understood either side.
avereveard 6y ago
well check out italy, you can substitute italian with indians and keep the entire paragraph almost word for word. I suspect it's a common theme of countries that managed to keep an identity while under a long foreign domination. when the state is the enemy for generations, the ethics and norm about law and legality become a lot more flexible.
- Tainnor 6y ago
  I was also thinking about Italy, especially with how popular people like Berlusconi always were precisely because they were never playing by the rules... but it's possible that it's still a difference in degree. I don't know if Italians would go to such extreme lenghts just for a t-shirt. I don't really know Indian culture though, so I can't judge.
- throw0101a 6y ago
  Would this apply more to southern Italy more than north? > Henrich anticipates a quibble about what he calls “the Italian enigma”: Why, if Italy has been Catholic for so long, did northern Italy become a prosperous banking center, while southern Italy stayed poor and was plagued by mafiosi? The answer, Henrich declares, is that southern Italy was never conquered by the Church-backed Carolingian empire. Sicily remained under Muslim rule and much of the rest of the south was controlled by the Orthodox Church until the papal hierarchy finally assimilated them both in the 11th century. This is why, according to Henrich, cousin marriage in the boot of Italy and Sicily is 10 times higher than in the north, and in most provinces in Sicily, hardly anyone donates blood (a measure of willingness to help strangers), while some northern provinces receive 105 donations of 16-ounce bags per 1,000 people per year. * https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2020/10/joseph-henrich-weird-people/615496/ https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2020/10/joseph-... * https://archive.is/SYP7l https://archive.is/SYP7l * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emirate_of_Sicily https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emirate_of_Sicily * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norman_conquest_of_southern_Italy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norman_conquest_of_southern_It...
  - QuesnayJr 6y ago
    The criticalness is a general Italian phenomenon. The one thing that unites Italians, north and south, is the perception that Italy is stupid and corrupt.
quirmian 6y ago
I would compare population numbers and percentages. India has 1B people. Uk is less than 10% of that.

But to that intensity, ingrained-ness? That's not how it is in the UK[0] - to anywhere near that degree I mean. edit: the UK is the only culture I'm really familiar with

avighnay 6y ago

you did rob us with unparalleled intensity over 300 years, is that ingrained? edit: I only know UK as an imperialist

pettycashstash2 6y ago
This made me chuckle. I only know US as an immigrant.
- throwaway_pdp09 6y ago
  Likewise. Had a good giggle, so who's so sensitive they have to flag and kill?
throwaway_pdp09 6y ago
Ah, sorry :) More seriously, I have heard on a TV programme, and I have NO DATA for this, that britain put more resources and/or cash into the US than it ever got out (edit: until the US became independent, which is about the 300 years the poster mentioned). Does anyone know reliable sources that can verify, refute or somehow qualify that statement? Edit: why is the parent post flagged and dead? Flagging should be used for proper offence, which I did not take and led me to an interesting question.
- avighnay 6y ago
  Glad that no offence was taken, my intent was to throw spot light on the root comment where it is easy to generalize on any human community. We all need to restrain ourselves from that urge. I don't mind it being flagged either, it does happen when perspectives are not fully understood either side.

avereveard 6y ago

well check out italy, you can substitute italian with indians and keep the entire paragraph almost word for word. I suspect it's a common theme of countries that managed to keep an identity while under a long foreign domination. when the state is the enemy for generations, the ethics and norm about law and legality become a lot more flexible.

Tainnor 6y ago
I was also thinking about Italy, especially with how popular people like Berlusconi always were precisely because they were never playing by the rules... but it's possible that it's still a difference in degree. I don't know if Italians would go to such extreme lenghts just for a t-shirt. I don't really know Indian culture though, so I can't judge.
throw0101a 6y ago
Would this apply more to southern Italy more than north? > Henrich anticipates a quibble about what he calls “the Italian enigma”: Why, if Italy has been Catholic for so long, did northern Italy become a prosperous banking center, while southern Italy stayed poor and was plagued by mafiosi? The answer, Henrich declares, is that southern Italy was never conquered by the Church-backed Carolingian empire. Sicily remained under Muslim rule and much of the rest of the south was controlled by the Orthodox Church until the papal hierarchy finally assimilated them both in the 11th century. This is why, according to Henrich, cousin marriage in the boot of Italy and Sicily is 10 times higher than in the north, and in most provinces in Sicily, hardly anyone donates blood (a measure of willingness to help strangers), while some northern provinces receive 105 donations of 16-ounce bags per 1,000 people per year. * https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2020/10/joseph-henrich-weird-people/615496/ https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2020/10/joseph-... * https://archive.is/SYP7l https://archive.is/SYP7l * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emirate_of_Sicily https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emirate_of_Sicily * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norman_conquest_of_southern_Italy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norman_conquest_of_southern_It...
- QuesnayJr 6y ago
  The criticalness is a general Italian phenomenon. The one thing that unites Italians, north and south, is the perception that Italy is stupid and corrupt.

quirmian 6y ago

I would compare population numbers and percentages. India has 1B people. Uk is less than 10% of that.