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+1 from Australia. Our police kill more white people in custody per capita than black. I'm so over hearing about this bullshit here. The aboriginal people of A

by waheoo 6y ago

+1 from Australia. Our police kill more white people in custody per capita than black. I'm so over hearing about this bullshit here. The aboriginal people of Australia face real problems. The police isn't one of them. PS, keep your debates to yourselves too. Nobody cares and your media cutting Trump out of context is obvious and gross. You are literally becoming the fake news he always said you were.

doctor_eval 6y ago
Right, because there are 10x more aboriginal people in prison, that's not racist policing, that's just natural, is that what you're saying? “There is a sadly high level of Indigenous incarceration, I think it’s about 30% compared to 3% of the population,” Mitchell said, while interviewing the prime minister on Thursday. “But black deaths in custody, I mean, that’s, that’s a furphy, isn’t it? I mean, since the royal commission, as I saw it, there have been fewer Indigenous people, per head of prison population, dying in custody than have white people?” Morrison replied: “That is welcome news.” However, the death rate per prisoner is only part of the story. Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people are 10 times more likely to die in custody than non-Indigenous people in Australia." https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/jun/11/deaths-inside-how-we-track-indigenous-deaths-in-custody-and-why-we-do-it https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/jun/11/death...
- waheoo 6y ago
  No, that isn't racist at all. Unfortunate, an injustice, a tragedy, a disaster, a systemic failure to integrate, yes. But racist? You're going to have to spell that one out for me. Aboriginal people just commit more crime. That isn't racist. Thats a symptom of a problem that predates most of us sitting here in our armchairs. Talk about the real problem not the symptom, but whatever you do, don't start calling all white people racist for being nothing but white, all that does is alienate allies and make you look like a moron.
  - doctor_eval 6y ago
    Yeah, a tragic injustice that only happens to aboriginal people. If only we could do something. Edited to respond to your edits: > Aboriginal people just commit more crime. That isn't racist. Unqualified statements asserting that a specific racial group "just commit more crime" is pretty much an applied definition of the word "racist". Isolated statistics about aboriginal behaviour used to buttress your assertion that you are not racist, just seem to underline the fact that perhaps you have much to learn. If you'd said, "statistically, aboriginal people commit more crime. Studies have shown that this is because of chronic health and economic issues which have never been adequately addressed by any Australian government", that would probably not be racist, but I'd want to defer to an aboriginal person before putting my neck out too far on that one either. One of the difficult things about racism is that it does not matter how we (ie, people of European descent) feel about it, but how the people we're talking about feel about it. > Thats a symptom of a problem that predates most of us sitting here in our armchairs What problem are you talking about? The problem that we invaded their land, shot them, stole their children, and to this day oppress them both economically and legally? > all that does is alienate allies and make you look like a moron No ally of mine is going to be alienated or offended by simple statements of truth.
    - apexalpha 6y ago
      One of the difficult things about racism is that it does not matter how we (ie, people of European descent) feel about it, but how the people we're talking about feel about it. For what it's worth you are doing the EXACT same thing the post in this article is about: you are pushing a very American view on racism. First of all, racism is absolutely not White -> Black. Or White -> Aboriginal. If you think that I'd assume you haven't met a lot of people form other parts of the world. Racism is everywhere and it's not a White-only issue. That's a very American view. Second of all, it absolutely DOES matter what 'we' (white people) think of it. Saying only people we talk about get to have a say in this is also a very American viewpoint. We really don't need to "defer to an aboriginal person", as you say. Just like this article states you are now assuming that all aboriginal people agree on this subject. Saying we aren't qualified to say what's racist but we need a minority for that is the kind of generalizations the article pushes against.
- HowFarFallen 6y ago
  Why they commit crime at such higher rates than the White population would be an interesting conversation to have. Unfortunately, it seems as if you're implying that we shouldn't police them equally because of their race. I cannot endorse that, and I would urge you to consider their victims (most of whom are also Aboriginals, if they are your concern).
  - doctor_eval 6y ago
    If aboriginal people were policed equally, there wouldn't be a problem.
wesleywt 6y ago
-1 for Australia. Its a pretty racists country. And you forget FoxNews is a transplant of the Rupert Murdoch's empire that he established in Australia. Thier propaganda in support of Trump is obvious and gross. But you as an Australia probably grew up with this type of media surrounding you.
- fiblye 6y ago
  I don’t think trying to argue against racism while lumping an entire country of tens of millions of people together is productive.
  - fastball 6y ago
    TFA is talking about racism as if it can be seen through the lens of how an entire nation feels about and handles racism, so that seems like a reasonable way of talking about it in this thread.
    - fiblye 6y ago
      The article is about contexts for racism differing between countries. It’s not about saying “x country is super racist.”
      - fastball 6y ago
        In response to someone saying "our country is not racist like America is".
  - remote_phone 6y ago
    That’s what they’re doing with the US though.
dang 6y ago
Please don't post flamewar comments to HN. We don't want flamewars here, and you did it repeatedly in this thread. Not cool. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- throwaway23555 6y ago
  Are you able to comment about what's happening here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24652987 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24652987 All of the comments are getting flagged and killed. I don't see any rule breaking.
  - dang 6y ago
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- waheoo 6y ago
  Lol, correcting people taking me out of context and calling me racist is trying to start a flamewar? Ok dude?

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doctor_eval 6y ago

Right, because there are 10x more aboriginal people in prison, that's not racist policing, that's just natural, is that what you're saying? “There is a sadly high level of Indigenous incarceration, I think it’s about 30% compared to 3% of the population,” Mitchell said, while interviewing the prime minister on Thursday. “But black deaths in custody, I mean, that’s, that’s a furphy, isn’t it? I mean, since the royal commission, as I saw it, there have been fewer Indigenous people, per head of prison population, dying in custody than have white people?” Morrison replied: “That is welcome news.” However, the death rate per prisoner is only part of the story. Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people are 10 times more likely to die in custody than non-Indigenous people in Australia." https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/jun/11/deaths-inside-how-we-track-indigenous-deaths-in-custody-and-why-we-do-it https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/jun/11/death...

waheoo 6y ago
No, that isn't racist at all. Unfortunate, an injustice, a tragedy, a disaster, a systemic failure to integrate, yes. But racist? You're going to have to spell that one out for me. Aboriginal people just commit more crime. That isn't racist. Thats a symptom of a problem that predates most of us sitting here in our armchairs. Talk about the real problem not the symptom, but whatever you do, don't start calling all white people racist for being nothing but white, all that does is alienate allies and make you look like a moron.
- doctor_eval 6y ago
  Yeah, a tragic injustice that only happens to aboriginal people. If only we could do something. Edited to respond to your edits: > Aboriginal people just commit more crime. That isn't racist. Unqualified statements asserting that a specific racial group "just commit more crime" is pretty much an applied definition of the word "racist". Isolated statistics about aboriginal behaviour used to buttress your assertion that you are not racist, just seem to underline the fact that perhaps you have much to learn. If you'd said, "statistically, aboriginal people commit more crime. Studies have shown that this is because of chronic health and economic issues which have never been adequately addressed by any Australian government", that would probably not be racist, but I'd want to defer to an aboriginal person before putting my neck out too far on that one either. One of the difficult things about racism is that it does not matter how we (ie, people of European descent) feel about it, but how the people we're talking about feel about it. > Thats a symptom of a problem that predates most of us sitting here in our armchairs What problem are you talking about? The problem that we invaded their land, shot them, stole their children, and to this day oppress them both economically and legally? > all that does is alienate allies and make you look like a moron No ally of mine is going to be alienated or offended by simple statements of truth.
  - apexalpha 6y ago
    One of the difficult things about racism is that it does not matter how we (ie, people of European descent) feel about it, but how the people we're talking about feel about it. For what it's worth you are doing the EXACT same thing the post in this article is about: you are pushing a very American view on racism. First of all, racism is absolutely not White -> Black. Or White -> Aboriginal. If you think that I'd assume you haven't met a lot of people form other parts of the world. Racism is everywhere and it's not a White-only issue. That's a very American view. Second of all, it absolutely DOES matter what 'we' (white people) think of it. Saying only people we talk about get to have a say in this is also a very American viewpoint. We really don't need to "defer to an aboriginal person", as you say. Just like this article states you are now assuming that all aboriginal people agree on this subject. Saying we aren't qualified to say what's racist but we need a minority for that is the kind of generalizations the article pushes against.
HowFarFallen 6y ago
Why they commit crime at such higher rates than the White population would be an interesting conversation to have. Unfortunately, it seems as if you're implying that we shouldn't police them equally because of their race. I cannot endorse that, and I would urge you to consider their victims (most of whom are also Aboriginals, if they are your concern).
- doctor_eval 6y ago
  If aboriginal people were policed equally, there wouldn't be a problem.

wesleywt 6y ago

-1 for Australia. Its a pretty racists country. And you forget FoxNews is a transplant of the Rupert Murdoch's empire that he established in Australia. Thier propaganda in support of Trump is obvious and gross. But you as an Australia probably grew up with this type of media surrounding you.

fiblye 6y ago
I don’t think trying to argue against racism while lumping an entire country of tens of millions of people together is productive.
- fastball 6y ago
  TFA is talking about racism as if it can be seen through the lens of how an entire nation feels about and handles racism, so that seems like a reasonable way of talking about it in this thread.
  - fiblye 6y ago
    The article is about contexts for racism differing between countries. It’s not about saying “x country is super racist.”
    - fastball 6y ago
      In response to someone saying "our country is not racist like America is".
- remote_phone 6y ago
  That’s what they’re doing with the US though.

dang 6y ago

Please don't post flamewar comments to HN. We don't want flamewars here, and you did it repeatedly in this thread. Not cool. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

throwaway23555 6y ago
Are you able to comment about what's happening here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24652987 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24652987 All of the comments are getting flagged and killed. I don't see any rule breaking.
- dang 6y ago
  1. Repeatedly creating accounts to circumvent bans is not ok. 2. Nothing good is going to come out of adding to that flamewar. 3. It crosses into personal attack, which is particularly not ok. 4. Please email hn@ycombinator.com with questions like this, rather than posting off-topic comments. This is in the site guidelines: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
waheoo 6y ago
Lol, correcting people taking me out of context and calling me racist is trying to start a flamewar? Ok dude?