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Disclaimer : one of my products is used for remote proctoring. It depends on the vendor of the exam too, our proctoring sdk works on chrome and Firefox which m

Disclaimer : one of my products is used for remote proctoring. It depends on the vendor of the exam too, our proctoring sdk works on chrome and Firefox which means all major OSes too, we try hard not go outside browser context, we support android and iOS natively. However many exam apps are very poorly written and have limited support for different OS, and usually never for mobile. I have seen full flash apps used today with 3months to deprecation. we do face detection but not recognition and recommend using human live proctors for high stakes requirements. The OS vendors are doing their part as well, we partner with both Apple and MS and give constant feedback, Apple announced AAC mode this WWDC and MS had number of APIs Linux support is a factor in the education assements space due to chromebooks, most of my devs and half of my ops use linux , so I can say atleast one vendor cares. Today there is profussion of vendors and overnight shops attempting to build in this space post covid-19, sales here is like any other enterprise product , tech merit is only one component, and nuances are lost on the customer in the hurry post covid 19, exam/certificate bodies have little scrutiny and rarely choose the better product for the user. However in few years things will improve, buyers will understand the tech better, vendors will consolidate.

chaps 6y ago
Hearing that one of the "vendors that cares" still does facial analysis gives me bad vibes. Can you explain a bit about how the face detection works and what sort of detection data is sent outside the local client? If so, do you store or send it anywhere?
- manquer 6y ago
  Your feed usually is captured , it is no different than a hangout or zoom recording. Many providers actually use zoom . Face detection is detection of a human face in a feed, not a specific face recognition. Usually such detection is used in negative sense, i.e. lack of face in the feed would prompt for human review. Local context is not feasible, you need to store the feed remotely for compliance in case of dispute etc, it same as video call or a support call that is recorded.
jimz 6y ago
I'm actually quite curious as to where you guys end up taking the product, because at least pertaining to the legal profession, as of a few years ago, the entire system from your first proctored exam as a 1L to the bar exam didn't actually require the browser context at all. The UI we used had a heavy Windows 98 aesthetic going on, and mostly just consisted of native text-boxes with pretty minimal formatting tools, timer, and not much of anything else. But at the same time it's also understood on some level everybody knows that the rigamarole is done for its own sake entirely. It's always understood on some level that it's not the substantive law that these exams test for but instead how ably is one able to jump through arbitrary hoops in a prescribed time and format, which is one way of looking at the legal profession as a whole. It's entirely possible that as the vendor you may end up caring more about the exam than the actual test-takers themselves.

chaps 6y ago

Hearing that one of the "vendors that cares" still does facial analysis gives me bad vibes. Can you explain a bit about how the face detection works and what sort of detection data is sent outside the local client? If so, do you store or send it anywhere?

manquer 6y ago
Your feed usually is captured , it is no different than a hangout or zoom recording. Many providers actually use zoom . Face detection is detection of a human face in a feed, not a specific face recognition. Usually such detection is used in negative sense, i.e. lack of face in the feed would prompt for human review. Local context is not feasible, you need to store the feed remotely for compliance in case of dispute etc, it same as video call or a support call that is recorded.

jimz 6y ago

I'm actually quite curious as to where you guys end up taking the product, because at least pertaining to the legal profession, as of a few years ago, the entire system from your first proctored exam as a 1L to the bar exam didn't actually require the browser context at all. The UI we used had a heavy Windows 98 aesthetic going on, and mostly just consisted of native text-boxes with pretty minimal formatting tools, timer, and not much of anything else. But at the same time it's also understood on some level everybody knows that the rigamarole is done for its own sake entirely. It's always understood on some level that it's not the substantive law that these exams test for but instead how ably is one able to jump through arbitrary hoops in a prescribed time and format, which is one way of looking at the legal profession as a whole. It's entirely possible that as the vendor you may end up caring more about the exam than the actual test-takers themselves.