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It is anecdotal, but one example is professional baseball player Eduardo Rodriguez. He had COVID-19 in early July which resulted in myocarditis. He wasn't eve

by slg 6y ago

It is anecdotal, but one example is professional baseball player Eduardo Rodriguez. He had COVID-19 in early July which resulted in myocarditis. He wasn't even cleared to walk on a treadmill until this week[1]. While he is expected to return to form eventually, team officials had said they don't expect him to be completely back to normal next season even though the season doesn't start until April[2]. This virus isn't something you want to mess with even if you are young and fit. [1] - https://sports.yahoo.com/red-sox-ace-finally-cleared-to-walk-on-treadmill-as-he-recovers-from-covid-19-related-heart-issue-225226593.html https://sports.yahoo.com/red-sox-ace-finally-cleared-to-walk... [2] - https://www.masslive.com/redsox/2020/09/eduardo-rodriguez-boston-red-sox-starter-may-not-have-full-workload-in-2021-you-lose-a-lot-when-youve-been-down-as-long-as-he-has.html https://www.masslive.com/redsox/2020/09/eduardo-rodriguez-bo...

legerdemain 6y ago
As many people in this and other threads have pointed out, we don't have any prior measurements, so we are absolutely unable to conclude that Rodriguez didn't have myocarditis and constipation of the heart prior to contracting COVID.
- slg 6y ago
  It would be extremely rare for a professional athlete to have an undiagnosed heart condition serious enough that doctors recommend months of zero physical activity. This isn't a normal person. This is someone watched over by world class doctors and who constantly has his performance, health, and bio data measured. The condition is almost certainly a result of COVID.
  - nimish 6y ago
    The rub is that extremely rare is not impossible. It's happened before with ephedra famously. Since this is basically an anecdote we cannot conclude anything on the population
    - slg 6y ago
      I mean I started that first comment with "It is anecdotal". I realize this isn't hard science, but pretending that it is meaningless because it "is not impossible" that he had a prior condition is also pretty worthless from a scientific standpoint. I don't think you realize how closely professional athletes are monitored nowadays. We obviously can't say anything with certainty while observing from afar, but it is incredibly unlikely his condition wasn't caused by COVID. And since this is just an anecdote, I don't understand the inclination to advocate for the devil and that tiny likelihood of it not being COVID related.
      - bandana 6y ago
        But you went from an anectodal note to the conclusion "This virus isn't something you want to mess with even if you are young and fit." as if it was an universal truth, whereas if you're young and fit, the virus is at 99.9% something you can mess with without any consequence.
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  - legerdemain 6y ago
    Enjoy this survey paper titled "Sudden Cardiac Death in Athletes."[1] [1] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4969030/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4969030/
    - slg 6y ago
      As I said: >a professional athlete... is someone watched over by world class doctors and who constantly has his performance, health, and bio data measured. You can't compare the likelihood of a heart issue going undiagnosed in a professional athlete versus a high school kid or an adult participating in an unorganized sport.
anoncake 6y ago
So there's no permanent harm. I don't think preventing athletes from doing their jobs for a few months by restricting everyone in that way is a sensible trade.
- slg 6y ago
  >So there's no permanent harm. The average MLB player's career is 5.5 seasons and this guy might be losing 1.5 seasons. That is still a huge cost even if he escapes without permanent damage. >I don't think preventing athletes from doing their jobs for a few months by restricting everyone in that way is a sensible trade. I never suggested any specific ways to avoid this situation let alone any type of shutdown. I am simply pointing out the dangers.
  - anoncake 6y ago
    Even if they completely lost their careers, it wouldn't exactly but be huge damage to society.

by slg 6y ago

legerdemain 6y ago

As many people in this and other threads have pointed out, we don't have any prior measurements, so we are absolutely unable to conclude that Rodriguez didn't have myocarditis and constipation of the heart prior to contracting COVID.

slg 6y ago
It would be extremely rare for a professional athlete to have an undiagnosed heart condition serious enough that doctors recommend months of zero physical activity. This isn't a normal person. This is someone watched over by world class doctors and who constantly has his performance, health, and bio data measured. The condition is almost certainly a result of COVID.
- nimish 6y ago
  The rub is that extremely rare is not impossible. It's happened before with ephedra famously. Since this is basically an anecdote we cannot conclude anything on the population
  - slg 6y ago
    I mean I started that first comment with "It is anecdotal". I realize this isn't hard science, but pretending that it is meaningless because it "is not impossible" that he had a prior condition is also pretty worthless from a scientific standpoint. I don't think you realize how closely professional athletes are monitored nowadays. We obviously can't say anything with certainty while observing from afar, but it is incredibly unlikely his condition wasn't caused by COVID. And since this is just an anecdote, I don't understand the inclination to advocate for the devil and that tiny likelihood of it not being COVID related.
    - bandana 6y ago
      But you went from an anectodal note to the conclusion "This virus isn't something you want to mess with even if you are young and fit." as if it was an universal truth, whereas if you're young and fit, the virus is at 99.9% something you can mess with without any consequence.
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- legerdemain 6y ago
  Enjoy this survey paper titled "Sudden Cardiac Death in Athletes."[1] [1] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4969030/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4969030/
  - slg 6y ago
    As I said: >a professional athlete... is someone watched over by world class doctors and who constantly has his performance, health, and bio data measured. You can't compare the likelihood of a heart issue going undiagnosed in a professional athlete versus a high school kid or an adult participating in an unorganized sport.

anoncake 6y ago

So there's no permanent harm. I don't think preventing athletes from doing their jobs for a few months by restricting everyone in that way is a sensible trade.

slg 6y ago
>So there's no permanent harm. The average MLB player's career is 5.5 seasons and this guy might be losing 1.5 seasons. That is still a huge cost even if he escapes without permanent damage. >I don't think preventing athletes from doing their jobs for a few months by restricting everyone in that way is a sensible trade. I never suggested any specific ways to avoid this situation let alone any type of shutdown. I am simply pointing out the dangers.
- anoncake 6y ago
  Even if they completely lost their careers, it wouldn't exactly but be huge damage to society.