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Such is the way of the world. The same will eventually happen with what is in vogue today, and detractors will appear seemingly out of nowhere to talk shit The

by tomc1985 6y ago

Such is the way of the world. The same will eventually happen with what is in vogue today, and detractors will appear seemingly out of nowhere to talk shit The idea that today's languages and technologies are truly better than the past is laughable, particularly when they recycle so much of what is old and slap on a new name

sidlls 6y ago
The idea that today's languages and technologies are truly better than the past is laughable, That's really orthogonal to the discussion, though. This isn't about general superiority, it's about legibility and barriers to understanding/skill due to syntax and keywords. Perl is infamous for the "code golf is the default style" syntax, keywords, and tokens it employs in this context, and in my experience at least its most ardent fans believe it is a badge of honor. It isn't, really, and it's the same mistake PG makes when discussing "car", "cons" and the like.
- tomc1985 6y ago
  > and in my experience at least its most ardent fans believe it is a badge of honor. Indeed. And I disagree with your opinion. For all its terseness its still wonderfully expressive and it goes against the horrible trend set by Python with its "one true way" bullshit. That we all so willingly accept the commodification of our trade so the paymasters can eventually decrease our demand is shameful. We should strive for a certain level of difficulty if anything to separate the wheat from the chaff. You wanna play with the big boys? Learn to code in a big boy language. Instead we let the trainwreck that is modern JS take over.
  - sidlls 6y ago
    Who is "we"? And take over what? Backend web development? Hardly--that's still mostly PHP. The most sophisticated pieces of the most sophisticated internet application ("web") software are generally written in Java, C++, or Go (some Erlang, some others, etc., but mostly those). "Big boys"? What does that even mean?

sidlls 6y ago

The idea that today's languages and technologies are truly better than the past is laughable, That's really orthogonal to the discussion, though. This isn't about general superiority, it's about legibility and barriers to understanding/skill due to syntax and keywords. Perl is infamous for the "code golf is the default style" syntax, keywords, and tokens it employs in this context, and in my experience at least its most ardent fans believe it is a badge of honor. It isn't, really, and it's the same mistake PG makes when discussing "car", "cons" and the like.

tomc1985 6y ago
> and in my experience at least its most ardent fans believe it is a badge of honor. Indeed. And I disagree with your opinion. For all its terseness its still wonderfully expressive and it goes against the horrible trend set by Python with its "one true way" bullshit. That we all so willingly accept the commodification of our trade so the paymasters can eventually decrease our demand is shameful. We should strive for a certain level of difficulty if anything to separate the wheat from the chaff. You wanna play with the big boys? Learn to code in a big boy language. Instead we let the trainwreck that is modern JS take over.
- sidlls 6y ago
  Who is "we"? And take over what? Backend web development? Hardly--that's still mostly PHP. The most sophisticated pieces of the most sophisticated internet application ("web") software are generally written in Java, C++, or Go (some Erlang, some others, etc., but mostly those). "Big boys"? What does that even mean?