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The Cellebrite website is here: http://www.cellebrite.com/forensic-products/ufed-physical-pro.html http://www.cellebrite.com/forensic-products/ufed-physical-pr.

The Cellebrite website is here: http://www.cellebrite.com/forensic-products/ufed-physical-pro.html http://www.cellebrite.com/forensic-products/ufed-physical-pr... Wonder if they sell to private individuals?; they only seem to list military, law enforcement and intelligence agencies as their target customer on their site. To defeat over 3000 models of phones it would need to have about 2000 different connection types, based on my experience trying to plug in and extract information from various manufacturers extortionately priced dongle custom connectors. I found myself inadvertently helping a friend today who's abusive manipulative ex-partner has been sexting their 14yr old daughter and I was helping her recover the messages to present to the police; could seriously have used one of these and avoided a heap of hassle with drivers, cables, custom software. (The NZ police don't seem to have these devices yet)

r00fus 15y ago
Would that evidence be permissible in court?
- morganpyne 15y ago
  In this case I believe so. I was doing nothing more than recovering text messages and phone call logs so that they could be printed. The police had already seen and witnessed the information directly on the devices, but had asked if they could be printed to make it easier to include them in a file (i.e. they actually requested my friend do this if she had the means as it would be preferable to hand-transcribing this information)
noonespecial 15y ago
I'm thinking I need an app that immediately encrypts the flash should it ever detect its been placed in a "Faraday bag". I've actually tried to isolate a phone from the network for testing. Its much more difficult that it seems like it should be. I'm wondering if such a thing works or if this more of a gimmick. The only reliable way I've found of making sure my iphone is truly off the air is to take it to San Fran(1)... (1) I'll be here all week. Try the veal.
- morganpyne 15y ago
  You could take a lesson from the Mozilla Foundation about isolating phones in Faraday Cages: http://oduinn.com/blog/2010/02/11/unveiling-mozillas-faraday-cage/ http://oduinn.com/blog/2010/02/11/unveiling-mozillas-faraday... Or you could stick it in a microwave. (I've used this to test if my home 'repaired' microwave is leaking radiation. Stick your phone in it and close the door. Call it. If it rings, chuck your microwave out :-) If it doesn't, well, I wouldn't stake my life on it not leaking and I'd still get it tested professionally. Only problem with this microwave trick is that it's hard to push the buttons once the door is closed! You can use it to test your microwave, but not your phone unless your app doesn't need any interaction. Also, an app that encrypts on loss of signal would be of limited use where I live in NZ. The Vodafone network drops in and out so often you'd flatten the battery on the phone real fast with all that encryption action.
  - noonespecial 15y ago
    Yeah, I was thinking about that. It couldn't just encrypt on "no signal". On a rooted Pre I have, I'm able to get lots of radio stuff even when the phone is saying "no signal" and I can't make calls. The noise floor is a pretty good place to start. I'm thinking just monitoring the noise and watching for very sudden changes. If you suddenly change rapidly to very quiet, you might be in a faraday bag. Hmm. It actually can only report the SNR. I'll have to look into how it comes up with this number. Thanks for the microwave tip. Might be handy.
  - jemfinch 15y ago
    If your phone doesn't ring and you're not feeling warmth when the microwave runs, you're fine. Microwaves don't do much more than excite water molecules. Those excited molecules would manifest as a simple perception of increased heat if there's somewhere your microwave is leaking. If you're not feeling that, you're safe.
  - shasta 15y ago
    I use my microwave to get off of the phone. I put it on mute before I stick it in so that they don't hear the door closing.

r00fus 15y ago

Would that evidence be permissible in court?

morganpyne 15y ago
In this case I believe so. I was doing nothing more than recovering text messages and phone call logs so that they could be printed. The police had already seen and witnessed the information directly on the devices, but had asked if they could be printed to make it easier to include them in a file (i.e. they actually requested my friend do this if she had the means as it would be preferable to hand-transcribing this information)

noonespecial 15y ago

I'm thinking I need an app that immediately encrypts the flash should it ever detect its been placed in a "Faraday bag". I've actually tried to isolate a phone from the network for testing. Its much more difficult that it seems like it should be. I'm wondering if such a thing works or if this more of a gimmick. The only reliable way I've found of making sure my iphone is truly off the air is to take it to San Fran(1)... (1) I'll be here all week. Try the veal.

morganpyne 15y ago
You could take a lesson from the Mozilla Foundation about isolating phones in Faraday Cages: http://oduinn.com/blog/2010/02/11/unveiling-mozillas-faraday-cage/ http://oduinn.com/blog/2010/02/11/unveiling-mozillas-faraday... Or you could stick it in a microwave. (I've used this to test if my home 'repaired' microwave is leaking radiation. Stick your phone in it and close the door. Call it. If it rings, chuck your microwave out :-) If it doesn't, well, I wouldn't stake my life on it not leaking and I'd still get it tested professionally. Only problem with this microwave trick is that it's hard to push the buttons once the door is closed! You can use it to test your microwave, but not your phone unless your app doesn't need any interaction. Also, an app that encrypts on loss of signal would be of limited use where I live in NZ. The Vodafone network drops in and out so often you'd flatten the battery on the phone real fast with all that encryption action.
- noonespecial 15y ago
  Yeah, I was thinking about that. It couldn't just encrypt on "no signal". On a rooted Pre I have, I'm able to get lots of radio stuff even when the phone is saying "no signal" and I can't make calls. The noise floor is a pretty good place to start. I'm thinking just monitoring the noise and watching for very sudden changes. If you suddenly change rapidly to very quiet, you might be in a faraday bag. Hmm. It actually can only report the SNR. I'll have to look into how it comes up with this number. Thanks for the microwave tip. Might be handy.
- jemfinch 15y ago
  If your phone doesn't ring and you're not feeling warmth when the microwave runs, you're fine. Microwaves don't do much more than excite water molecules. Those excited molecules would manifest as a simple perception of increased heat if there's somewhere your microwave is leaking. If you're not feeling that, you're safe.
- shasta 15y ago
  I use my microwave to get off of the phone. I put it on mute before I stick it in so that they don't hear the door closing.