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> They will fall over themselves to advise `alina_stravinsky599` on the best way to make a typofix, but will yell "shitoberfest!" when `navinshah53` makes the s

> They will fall over themselves to advise `alina_stravinsky599` on the best way to make a typofix, but will yell "shitoberfest!" when `navinshah53` makes the same PR. Sorry, but stereotypes exist for a reason. South Asians (Indians) are very much over-represented in the "spam commit" category. And so, if people see this enough, they will build up a natural and understandable annoyance and resistance to future commits from such people.

quadrifoliate 6y ago
> South Asians (Indians) are very much over-represented in the "spam commit" category. And so, if people see this enough, they will build up a natural and understandable annoyance and resistance to future commits from such people. Try applying this logic to literally anything else in life (say crime statistics) and you will wade into racist territory in short order. I don't see why we get to be the honorable exception. That all being said, I kind of agree that complaining about it is futile. I think that smart and practical Indian dudes should account for this kind of racism during their career. Hence my advice (which I follow myself) to them to stick to writing proprietary software and improve their skills in that arena. Or play the open source game on extra hard mode, it's their choice really.
- Thorentis 6y ago
  Are you arguing that stereotypes are bad because they have the potential to be racist, or are you arguing that there is no value in applying a high-pass filter despite the high noise to signal ratio in online interactions?
  - quadrifoliate 6y ago
    Very, very ironically -- my high-pass filter suggests that your comment is edging down the well-trodden "let me convince you that actually, racism is okay in some circumstances" route. So I will bid you a good day!
    - Thorentis 6y ago
      I guess you really are arguing against something purely because you associate it with "the r word". Your argument is: "if you apply x to y, you get z, therefore x is always bad". Complete lack of critical thinking, and purely an emotional reaction to z.
dragonwriter 6y ago
> Sorry, but stereotypes exist for a reason Because for very good reasons relating to survival in a no-tech world with dangers around every corner, the human brain jumps to over-generalities.
- Thorentis 6y ago
  Generalisations can be a fantastic time-saver. I optimise for efficiency. If my false-positive rate is too high then maybe the data my brain has trained on is poor. But from what I've seen so far, and from what I've heard from other people, the data my mental model has been trained on is fairly representative across the board in this instance.
  - arthur2e5 6y ago
    Trash commit freqs, unlike crime stats, are filtered not through institutions but through one's own mind. Granted, one can carry a lot of biases in what they look at and what they notice, but this issue applies to all heuristics in general. That said, I used to carry a lot of… biases against Indian developers since that's what all the Chinese programmers talk about on Weibo and Telegram. I have seen a lot of impressive folks since then, so I don't really have that particular generalisation any more. Heck, Chinese ppl would do the same 薅羊毛 thing if our mail service was less shitty. We even have js devs charging people in cash and stars for documentation. That's what you learn from living in no community.

quadrifoliate 6y ago

> South Asians (Indians) are very much over-represented in the "spam commit" category. And so, if people see this enough, they will build up a natural and understandable annoyance and resistance to future commits from such people. Try applying this logic to literally anything else in life (say crime statistics) and you will wade into racist territory in short order. I don't see why we get to be the honorable exception. That all being said, I kind of agree that complaining about it is futile. I think that smart and practical Indian dudes should account for this kind of racism during their career. Hence my advice (which I follow myself) to them to stick to writing proprietary software and improve their skills in that arena. Or play the open source game on extra hard mode, it's their choice really.

Thorentis 6y ago
Are you arguing that stereotypes are bad because they have the potential to be racist, or are you arguing that there is no value in applying a high-pass filter despite the high noise to signal ratio in online interactions?
- quadrifoliate 6y ago
  Very, very ironically -- my high-pass filter suggests that your comment is edging down the well-trodden "let me convince you that actually, racism is okay in some circumstances" route. So I will bid you a good day!
  - Thorentis 6y ago
    I guess you really are arguing against something purely because you associate it with "the r word". Your argument is: "if you apply x to y, you get z, therefore x is always bad". Complete lack of critical thinking, and purely an emotional reaction to z.

dragonwriter 6y ago

> Sorry, but stereotypes exist for a reason Because for very good reasons relating to survival in a no-tech world with dangers around every corner, the human brain jumps to over-generalities.

Thorentis 6y ago
Generalisations can be a fantastic time-saver. I optimise for efficiency. If my false-positive rate is too high then maybe the data my brain has trained on is poor. But from what I've seen so far, and from what I've heard from other people, the data my mental model has been trained on is fairly representative across the board in this instance.
- arthur2e5 6y ago
  Trash commit freqs, unlike crime stats, are filtered not through institutions but through one's own mind. Granted, one can carry a lot of biases in what they look at and what they notice, but this issue applies to all heuristics in general. That said, I used to carry a lot of… biases against Indian developers since that's what all the Chinese programmers talk about on Weibo and Telegram. I have seen a lot of impressive folks since then, so I don't really have that particular generalisation any more. Heck, Chinese ppl would do the same 薅羊毛 thing if our mail service was less shitty. We even have js devs charging people in cash and stars for documentation. That's what you learn from living in no community.