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> I think the World Police BS that America engages needs to stop. I legit thought it would've been reduced with Trump because of his isolationist positioning.

> I think the World Police BS that America engages needs to stop. I legit thought it would've been reduced with Trump because of his isolationist positioning. I guess this is going to be the norm for a distant future. I don't see how this box is closed without an aggressive shift in Geopolitics. I don't see how this would be a peaceful transition but if you see a solution like that, I'd love to hear! (edited for formatting)

LatteLazy 6y ago
I think that "locking up foreigners" nationalism is more trumps flavour than "trade with all, allies with none" etc. He's very good at convincing people he supports their ideological position when he's really just using it to justify what he wants to do right now for his own reasons and will drop it the second it's not useful. That whys he's anti China until he has to actually take an action on China or exporting jobs or crime and punishment etc. :(
- heimatau 6y ago
  > He's very good at convincing people he supports their ideological position That's actually not what he's doing. Look up his history. Evidence speaks for itself but too many are lazy to look it up. > That whys he's anti China Umm. I hate to spoiler your preconceived notions but China's method of governing is absolutely terrifying to a free society. uighur? Great leap forward causalities? Aside from the gaslighting on my part, realize this. China has been known as a global threat for at least 20 years. I was taught this from my science teacher. He told us 'two issues your generation will face; China and water'. America has it's own issues and there is a large segment of the US that believe in Isolationism. FDR led the way there (with failings too). These issues are complicated and not simple but it's still sad that we're seeing World Police Officer be also the function of the US POTUS. P.S. Since HN seems to be anti-anything related to Trump. Let me make it clear. I'm a FDR/Bernie democrat. I voted Green Party last election and will this one too. Trump's policies (and lack thereof) aren't mutually exclusive to Trump.
  - LatteLazy 6y ago
    I mean, you're right he should act on China, a lefty Liberal like me agrees, he promised to do so, and he has all the reasons you listed plus more. So why hasn't he? Because he has no interest in doing anything, he's not committed to any actual policy, except for whatever suits him right now. And that's the real danger: soft power works sometimes, hard power works sometimes, "I'll give you whatever you want if you leave me alone and let me build a hotel" doesn't work (except for building hotels). That's the issue here. Trump is pro trump. He not an isolationist except if (claims of) isolationism forward the trump self service agenda. He'd be a leftist internationalist pro-china stogge if he thought he'd make a buck or get a vote more doing that. Yet people refuse to see this obvious, data driven conclusion...
    - cycrutchfield 6y ago
      We are getting a bit off topic, but it’s pretty clear Trump only has one agenda: say anything, do anything to get re-elected. He has no real ideology. No real policies. One might suspect that he is motivated more by fear than by anything else.
    - heimatau 6y ago
      > this obvious, data driven conclusion... You've provided no data. Just conjecture.

LatteLazy 6y ago

I think that "locking up foreigners" nationalism is more trumps flavour than "trade with all, allies with none" etc. He's very good at convincing people he supports their ideological position when he's really just using it to justify what he wants to do right now for his own reasons and will drop it the second it's not useful. That whys he's anti China until he has to actually take an action on China or exporting jobs or crime and punishment etc. :(

heimatau 6y ago
> He's very good at convincing people he supports their ideological position That's actually not what he's doing. Look up his history. Evidence speaks for itself but too many are lazy to look it up. > That whys he's anti China Umm. I hate to spoiler your preconceived notions but China's method of governing is absolutely terrifying to a free society. uighur? Great leap forward causalities? Aside from the gaslighting on my part, realize this. China has been known as a global threat for at least 20 years. I was taught this from my science teacher. He told us 'two issues your generation will face; China and water'. America has it's own issues and there is a large segment of the US that believe in Isolationism. FDR led the way there (with failings too). These issues are complicated and not simple but it's still sad that we're seeing World Police Officer be also the function of the US POTUS. P.S. Since HN seems to be anti-anything related to Trump. Let me make it clear. I'm a FDR/Bernie democrat. I voted Green Party last election and will this one too. Trump's policies (and lack thereof) aren't mutually exclusive to Trump.
- LatteLazy 6y ago
  I mean, you're right he should act on China, a lefty Liberal like me agrees, he promised to do so, and he has all the reasons you listed plus more. So why hasn't he? Because he has no interest in doing anything, he's not committed to any actual policy, except for whatever suits him right now. And that's the real danger: soft power works sometimes, hard power works sometimes, "I'll give you whatever you want if you leave me alone and let me build a hotel" doesn't work (except for building hotels). That's the issue here. Trump is pro trump. He not an isolationist except if (claims of) isolationism forward the trump self service agenda. He'd be a leftist internationalist pro-china stogge if he thought he'd make a buck or get a vote more doing that. Yet people refuse to see this obvious, data driven conclusion...
  - cycrutchfield 6y ago
    We are getting a bit off topic, but it’s pretty clear Trump only has one agenda: say anything, do anything to get re-elected. He has no real ideology. No real policies. One might suspect that he is motivated more by fear than by anything else.
  - heimatau 6y ago
    > this obvious, data driven conclusion... You've provided no data. Just conjecture.