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If I could do dual-SIM on one account for 99 bucks and get both AT&T and T-Mobile backends, that would be killer. The only thing more killer than that would be

If I could do dual-SIM on one account for 99 bucks and get both AT&T and T-Mobile backends, that would be killer. The only thing more killer than that would be swapping one of them for Verizon.

DenisM 6y ago
You can do all of that on a recent iPhone.
- zeveb 6y ago
  But then you'd be stuck with an iPhone, not running Linux, unable to develop, run and share free software.
- twiclo 6y ago
  You're not going to convince anyone interested in a librem to get an iphone
  - DenisM 6y ago
    Right, I spaced out for a moment and forgot the topic. Doh.
  - hackmiester 6y ago
    I think that's an oversimplification. The iPhone was the closest practical alternative, last time I purchased a phone.
    - alpaca128 6y ago
      I don't see how the iPhone is as good in terms of privacy as Sailfish OS or Android without Google apps.
      - 188201 6y ago
        The UI layer is closed source in Sailfish OS, so not better than iPhone in this case. For Android, if getting a Lineage OS in phone, the first problem is Lineage OS still does not have automatic update without manually reboot into recovery mode, and need for user invention. Let's be honest I don't bother to update because of requiring human intervention in update until I find the time to do it. Not a good practice but hey... Secondly, any phone could be dropped support by Lineage OS if the developer of that model just starts using another phone and cannot find another to continue supporting the phone. The best option for privacy seems to be using GrapheneOS with Pixel phones, but GrapheneOS only supports as long as the support cycle of a pixel phone, so it is 3 years before end-of-life minus the time to develop GrapheneOS ROM for a new pixel phone. If you are going to value your privacy so much then this is the best, but a quite expensive route and not really environmental friendly. An iPhone can receive update as long as Apple the company is not bankrupted. Well, you get a worse performance after update but at least it is an option to continue to use.
        kdrag0n 6y ago
        Devices with official LineageOS support will get OTA updates. Newer devices with A/B partitions will even get seamless updates like stock, where the update is applied in the background and the user just needs to reboot to use the new version.
        188201 6y ago
        Yes, but official LineageOS can be dropped without notice. And even if optimistically a popular device will not drop support until it's too old, the blob is still not updated and the linux kernel is not usually mainlined. Many exploit on that. And let's not talk about the blobs are not open source. That's why there is a demand on Linux phone which the kernel is mainlined and up-to-date. Again, ignore the fact that iPhone is closed source, it does provide a infinite software update until it's broken, which is better service than most Android phone, even if considering installing ROM.
        6y ago
  - m463 6y ago
    I have an iphone and it's the other way around.
- microcolonel 6y ago
  > You can do all of that on a recent iPhone. Not sure what you mean exactly, I'm talking about the service, not the basic existence of dual-SIM functionality (something I already have).

If I could do dual-SIM on one account for 99 bucks and get both AT&T and T-Mobile backends, that would be killer. The only thing more killer than that would be swapping one of them for Verizon.

DenisM 6y ago

You can do all of that on a recent iPhone.

zeveb 6y ago
But then you'd be stuck with an iPhone, not running Linux, unable to develop, run and share free software.
twiclo 6y ago
You're not going to convince anyone interested in a librem to get an iphone
- DenisM 6y ago
  Right, I spaced out for a moment and forgot the topic. Doh.
- hackmiester 6y ago
  I think that's an oversimplification. The iPhone was the closest practical alternative, last time I purchased a phone.
  - alpaca128 6y ago
    I don't see how the iPhone is as good in terms of privacy as Sailfish OS or Android without Google apps.
    - 188201 6y ago
      The UI layer is closed source in Sailfish OS, so not better than iPhone in this case. For Android, if getting a Lineage OS in phone, the first problem is Lineage OS still does not have automatic update without manually reboot into recovery mode, and need for user invention. Let's be honest I don't bother to update because of requiring human intervention in update until I find the time to do it. Not a good practice but hey... Secondly, any phone could be dropped support by Lineage OS if the developer of that model just starts using another phone and cannot find another to continue supporting the phone. The best option for privacy seems to be using GrapheneOS with Pixel phones, but GrapheneOS only supports as long as the support cycle of a pixel phone, so it is 3 years before end-of-life minus the time to develop GrapheneOS ROM for a new pixel phone. If you are going to value your privacy so much then this is the best, but a quite expensive route and not really environmental friendly. An iPhone can receive update as long as Apple the company is not bankrupted. Well, you get a worse performance after update but at least it is an option to continue to use.
      - kdrag0n 6y ago
        Devices with official LineageOS support will get OTA updates. Newer devices with A/B partitions will even get seamless updates like stock, where the update is applied in the background and the user just needs to reboot to use the new version.
        188201 6y ago
        Yes, but official LineageOS can be dropped without notice. And even if optimistically a popular device will not drop support until it's too old, the blob is still not updated and the linux kernel is not usually mainlined. Many exploit on that. And let's not talk about the blobs are not open source. That's why there is a demand on Linux phone which the kernel is mainlined and up-to-date. Again, ignore the fact that iPhone is closed source, it does provide a infinite software update until it's broken, which is better service than most Android phone, even if considering installing ROM.
        6y ago
- m463 6y ago
  I have an iphone and it's the other way around.
microcolonel 6y ago
> You can do all of that on a recent iPhone. Not sure what you mean exactly, I'm talking about the service, not the basic existence of dual-SIM functionality (something I already have).