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This sounds like if the designers of the web made a Linux distro.

by wincy 6y ago

laksdjfkasljdf 6y ago
This is already what happens. Just like the web (W3C?) was a front for microsoft taking over from Netscape, and now Google taking over from everyone else, the linux foundation et al are just fronts for Google et al to have whatever they want on the kernel and to prevent any and all GPL3 "corruption" of their take-take-take business practices. GNU/Linux is old news, everyone runs BIGCORP/Linux today. You probably have more code from Google/Amazon/etc than GNU in any modern distro. Just look at all the effort devoted to systemd (which is a blatant copy of oracle/windows service management) or everyone eating up the hype of zsh on macs (which is nothing but a spin from apple: Look how this new shell is so much better, oh bash is going to be GPLv3, no this has nothing to do with it, look how shiny is zsh!) GPLv3 will set you free!
- Teever 6y ago
  My paranoid thoughts about the state of disorganization in organizations like Mozilla and Gnome is that large corporations like Google and Microsoft clandestinely pay agent provocateurs involved in these organizations to derail progress in the projects. Systemd is really just the most blatant of these kinds of efforts.
  - natmaka 6y ago
    See https://www.cia.gov/news-information/featured-story-archive/2012-featured-story-archive/CleanedUOSSSimpleSabotage_sm.pdf https://www.cia.gov/news-information/featured-story-archive/... , starting from page 28
- anthk 6y ago
  zsh is older than you think.
  - laksdjfkasljdf 6y ago
    Apple switching to it on the day Bash announce new version to be GPLv3 is very recent.
1vuio0pswjnm7 6y ago
They have certainly made lots of money with that model. You could almost argue this stuff does not really matter because people are effectively forced to use it, as is.1 There is no alternative choice. 1. If you manage to "beat the system", and bend the web to your will, those invested in it will label you an outlier or accuse you of being like Richard Stallman. The Suicide Linux idea, and in fact, all "rm -rf /" jokes, are still perplexing to me because I always made systems where one could accidentally rm -rf / (still have not done personally that after 20+ years) and would not lose anything of importance, because / is an overlay and any long-term user data is stored on external media, separate from executables, which I unmount after a periodic save completes. I guess I could describe it as a minimal system booted from USB and running in RAM, overlayed with a more complete system (downloaded from the network then extracted), also running in RAM, with a workspace consisting of 100% RAM. The only way to destroy the system is to mount the USB stick read-write, chattr -i on everything and then try to rm -rf /. Impossible to do that by mistake.
f1refly 6y ago
Had to chuckle, but the I realized that everything is going in this direction on desktop as well

This sounds like if the designers of the web made a Linux distro.

by wincy 6y ago

This sounds like if the designers of the web made a Linux distro.

This is already what happens. Just like the web (W3C?) was a front for microsoft taking over from Netscape, and now Google taking over from everyone else, the linux foundation et al are just fronts for Google et al to have whatever they want on the kernel and to prevent any and all GPL3 "corruption" of their take-take-take business practices. GNU/Linux is old news, everyone runs BIGCORP/Linux today. You probably have more code from Google/Amazon/etc than GNU in any modern distro. Just look at all the effort devoted to systemd (which is a blatant copy of oracle/windows service management) or everyone eating up the hype of zsh on macs (which is nothing but a spin from apple: Look how this new shell is so much better, oh bash is going to be GPLv3, no this has nothing to do with it, look how shiny is zsh!) GPLv3 will set you free!

Teever 6y ago
My paranoid thoughts about the state of disorganization in organizations like Mozilla and Gnome is that large corporations like Google and Microsoft clandestinely pay agent provocateurs involved in these organizations to derail progress in the projects. Systemd is really just the most blatant of these kinds of efforts.
- natmaka 6y ago
  See https://www.cia.gov/news-information/featured-story-archive/2012-featured-story-archive/CleanedUOSSSimpleSabotage_sm.pdf https://www.cia.gov/news-information/featured-story-archive/... , starting from page 28
anthk 6y ago
zsh is older than you think.
- laksdjfkasljdf 6y ago
  Apple switching to it on the day Bash announce new version to be GPLv3 is very recent.

1vuio0pswjnm7 6y ago

They have certainly made lots of money with that model. You could almost argue this stuff does not really matter because people are effectively forced to use it, as is.1 There is no alternative choice. 1. If you manage to "beat the system", and bend the web to your will, those invested in it will label you an outlier or accuse you of being like Richard Stallman. The Suicide Linux idea, and in fact, all "rm -rf /" jokes, are still perplexing to me because I always made systems where one could accidentally rm -rf / (still have not done personally that after 20+ years) and would not lose anything of importance, because / is an overlay and any long-term user data is stored on external media, separate from executables, which I unmount after a periodic save completes. I guess I could describe it as a minimal system booted from USB and running in RAM, overlayed with a more complete system (downloaded from the network then extracted), also running in RAM, with a workspace consisting of 100% RAM. The only way to destroy the system is to mount the USB stick read-write, chattr -i on everything and then try to rm -rf /. Impossible to do that by mistake.

f1refly 6y ago

Had to chuckle, but the I realized that everything is going in this direction on desktop as well