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> Is it because you believe that the penal system did not properly make this person safe to return to society? I absolutely don't believe the penal system make

> Is it because you believe that the penal system did not properly make this person safe to return to society? I absolutely don't believe the penal system makes people safe after they serve their time. > Is it because that once someone has committed such a terrible crime that they are inevitably going to be able to do so again, because they have the psychological profile to do it? If a person killed someone without a damn good reason, why would I think they wouldn't do it again? > Finally, does it mean that such a person is forever marked as fundamentally dangerous and unworthy of reintegration? Correct. And maybe I'm caught up on the murder aspect. Murder isn't a small little crime. It takes a certain type of person to be able to intentionally murder someone. And maybe most of this thread can be summarized by: I think if you intentionally murder someone without a damn good reason you should spend life in prison. Right now, second degree murder can include that and often is not life in prison.

Apocryphon 6y ago
Thank you for giving your honest answers. It's good to examine one's beliefs. > I absolutely don't believe the penal system makes people safe after they serve their time. Fair, and understandable. > If a person killed someone without a damn good reason, why would I think they wouldn't do it again? Why would you think they would do it again? Given that someone spent over a decade in prison, shouldn't it have deterred them from killing again? You'd have to actually look into recidivism rates to see how this works out in reality, unless you believe that for psychological and moral philosophical reasons that such a person who's committed murder is both willing and likely to do so again. > I think if you intentionally murder someone without a damn good reason you should spend life in prison. Right now, second degree murder can include that and often is not life in prison. Okay, so your personal standard is that murder does not have to be premeditated to deserve life in prison. That's fair. But I think that goes beyond discomfort with working with such a person who has been through the prison system; that's believing that such a person shouldn't be out of the prison system at all.
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Apocryphon 6y ago

Thank you for giving your honest answers. It's good to examine one's beliefs. > I absolutely don't believe the penal system makes people safe after they serve their time. Fair, and understandable. > If a person killed someone without a damn good reason, why would I think they wouldn't do it again? Why would you think they would do it again? Given that someone spent over a decade in prison, shouldn't it have deterred them from killing again? You'd have to actually look into recidivism rates to see how this works out in reality, unless you believe that for psychological and moral philosophical reasons that such a person who's committed murder is both willing and likely to do so again. > I think if you intentionally murder someone without a damn good reason you should spend life in prison. Right now, second degree murder can include that and often is not life in prison. Okay, so your personal standard is that murder does not have to be premeditated to deserve life in prison. That's fair. But I think that goes beyond discomfort with working with such a person who has been through the prison system; that's believing that such a person shouldn't be out of the prison system at all.

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