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Unfck the Internet

120 points by mozillamaxx 6y ago

HashingtheCode 6y ago
I love the blatant lies and propaganda by Firefox where they say the following: Privacy = Freedom The Firefox browser is built to protect your privacy at every turn - because that's the fastest way to free you from slow loads, bad ads, hackers and trackers. We get the worst of the internet out of the way so there's more room for the best. I have a couple of problems with this statement. 1) Firefox is not private out of the box. It's default search engine is Google and on the initial opening of FF it sends all kinds of data back to Firefox HQ. 2) Firefox sends telemetry data by default unless disabled. Telemetry data is made up of two data sets: interaction data and technical data. Interaction data includes information about your interactions with Firefox such as number of open tabs and windows, number of webpages visited, number and type of installed Firefox Add-ons and session length, as well as Firefox features offered by Mozilla or our partners such as interaction with Firefox search features and search partner referrals. Technical data includes information about your Firefox version and language, device operating system and hardware configuration, memory, basic information about crashes and errors, outcome of automated processes like updates and safebrowsing. When Firefox sends data to us, your IP address is temporarily collected as part of our server logs. 3) Firefox Android app it includes 4 trackers plus the default telemetry data collection mentioned above; -google admob -adjust -google firebase analytics -leanplum https://reports.exodus-privacy.eu.org/en/reports/org.mozilla.firefox/latest/ https://reports.exodus-privacy.eu.org/en/reports/org.mozilla... I really have to wonder, how Firefox has the stones to make such an outrageous statement concerning it being a privacy browser, when the truth is that it is not. If you want a truly private browser based on Firefox you have to choose for Android; Privacy Browser by Stoutner https://f-droid.org/en/packages/com.stoutner.privacybrowser.standard/ https://f-droid.org/en/packages/com.stoutner.privacybrowser.... ... and for Desktop "LibreWolf" https://librewolf-community.gitlab.io/ https://librewolf-community.gitlab.io/ Please Firefox, stop with the lies. You are not a privacy browser.
zettadam 6y ago
Unfck yourselves, Mozilla!
sieabahlpark 6y ago
> What you see online is not what your across-the-aisle uncle does. Hold advertisers accountable for misinformation by sharing the political ads you see to a public database. I'm sure this has never been tried by Facebook which they later claim is fucking the internet. Surly with a company as biased as Mozilla there couldn't be a bias or conflict of interest...
alg0rith 6y ago
Unfuck your own browsers first Mozilla
- brummm 6y ago
  It's honestly the best browser out there...
  - krimeo 6y ago
    It is but it still could benefit from some unfckng of lately fckng introduced.
echelon 6y ago
Mozilla appears to be not long for this world, and it's incredibly sad. What we should be doing is pointing fingers at Google, who have no business running the world's top browser, search engine, and ad network. That's a monopoly.
- untog 6y ago
  Mozilla just signed another huge deal with Google for the default search engine in Firefox to be Google. Judgement of that deal aside for a moment, Mozilla isn't going anywhere soon.
ffpip 6y ago
Clicking on the link shown on the website assigns a unique ID to your version of Firefox downloaded from the playstore. Every user gets a unique ID. This ID is sent back to 'Adjust' when you install the app. So much for unfcking the internet. Hypocrisy everywhere.
- x3ro 6y ago
  Can you expand on this? On desktop I don't see anything being stored anywhere on this site, but I'm likely missing something.
  - ffpip 6y ago
    Did you click on the play store link? It is not linked directly to the play store. it is run through a tracking company first, which then assigns a unique ID to your installation for knowing what caused users to install firefox. The ID is present in the URL. Click the link once more to get another ID assigned to you. Then when you open the app, The ID is sent back to the company along with a list of specific apps installed on your Android.
    - x3ro 6y ago
      Oh sorry, I misread your original comment. Now I understand what's happening. Thanks for elaborating :)
- ignoramous 6y ago
  Anonymous tracking is fine with them, I'd presume, and totally seems to be in line with Mozilla's stance, too, one would think. It isn't like their flagship product, Firefox, is free of all telemetry.
  - ffpip 6y ago
    Unique Id is hardly anonymous. Anonymous tracking is already part of the URL. The ?utm_source=unfck part of the URL helps Mozilla know how many people installed Firefox from that link.
BitwiseFool 6y ago
Is it too much to ask for a tech company to just focus on their product and not delve into social advocacy? Edit: The Unfck the Internet project proclaims to be all about user privacy, but it promotes an extension to report political ads and an extension to report recommended YouTube videos (with the goal of not exposing people certain content). That is why I see this as social advocacy because it's clearly got political motives.
- x3ro 6y ago
  I don't understand this stance to be honest. Do you also think that Apple's focus on privacy is wrong? Why would a company building a web browser not be concerned about the state of the web, the privacy of it's users, etc? These things seem to be directly related to their product.
  - brokenc0de 6y ago
    Because Mozilla doesn't care about the privacy of their users. If they did, Pocket would be easily disabled, and they would have zero telemetry (like Ungoogled Chromium).
    - x3ro 6y ago
      I don't think the things you cite necessarily mean "Mozilla doesn't care about the privacy of it's users". There's always room for improvement, but "they're not perfect" != "they don't care". Tangentially related: ungoogled Chromium has some impact on Google's monetisation, but zero impact on their browser monopoly, because in the end you're still using their browser engine. So if you're talking about counteracting browser monopoly, ungoogled Chromium is not a good choice.
      - brokenc0de 6y ago
        I will name drop Librewolf as the "Ungoogled Chromium" of Firefox-based browsers. However, the web itself is tightly controlled by Google, and for me using UG Chromium is the best bet. I've stopped caring about the browser monopoly and instead looked for ways to minimize my usage of browsers and the web in general.
gambler 6y ago
Things Mozilla could do right now that would greatly improve our security and privacy: Add anti-fingerprinting tech to the core browser or at least verify one of the existing add-ons that do it. Add PGP/GPG to the core browser. Look into sandboxing. Maybe pick up maintenance of Sanboxie.
- krimeo 6y ago
  I am not a big fan of Mozilla (though I still use it because it is the least bad browser for me) but you can already set: privacy.resistFingerprinting to 'true' in about:config It is not perfect, of course, but helps a lot. Expect some sites to break.
  - ffpip 6y ago
    privacy.resistfingerprinting is strictly for advanced users. Always attach a huge warning when asking people to enable it. Examples of breakage - while enabling 2FA on any site, or using sites that offer the ability to edit photos, canvas picker, etc.
- tatersolid 6y ago
  > Add PGP/GPG to the core browser. Please, no. 1990s ball-of-mud insecure crypto with unusable UX? Pass. We don’t need the browser to be the client for everything. We just got FTP and Gopher removed!
brokenc0de 6y ago
>choose independent tech Yeah, and Firefox is a corporation that gets hundreds of millions of dollars a year from Google, whose CEO gets paid about $2 million a year. I won't get into their politics, because frankly they shouldn't matter, but please actually start working on your browser, Mozilla. Ungoogled Chromium is eating your lunch.
henil2911 6y ago
It makes me sad to see people targeting Mozilla for everything. Like yeah its default browser is Google because that's the way they can pay developers to work on it. For now they are only viable alternative in browser space. Yeah it collects data(only after asking for appropriate permission) which too is anonymous(i might be wrong here). But they are not collecting it to make profit out of it like google. Its only to make firefox better. And people suggesting to use forks of firefox keep in mind if there is no firefox there are no forks. I am not qualified to comment on Mozilla's way of handling their funds. But it is what it is for now. But atleast if you use firefox daily show some love!
- ffpip 6y ago
  > Like yeah its default browser is Google because that's the way they can pay developers to work on it. Not many people complain about this btw. It's a foolish argument. If Yahoo or DDG is the default, most people will just switch back to Google. >only after asking for appropriate permission No. it's opt out. > which too is anonymous No >There is no firefox there are no forks That's one of the most important points. Without Firefox, TOR browser will not exist either. >But atleast if you use firefox daily show some love! Yep! It's my default browser. Has killer features no other browser has.
  - henil2911 6y ago
    > Not many people complain about this btw. It's a foolish argument. If Yahoo or DDG is the default, most people will just switch back to Google. That was in reply to a comment which was deleted by the commenter. >only after asking for appropriate permission >No. it's opt out. Oh never noticed that. But I think that's because its just annoyance for the people who don't care about privacy. And those who does can just opt out. > which too is anonymous > No Whatever it maybe I trust Mozilla more than Google. I am not being a fanboy too. Mozilla is not some giant tech company selling your data to advertisers.
    - prophesi 6y ago
      > Oh never noticed that. But I think that's because its just annoyance for the people who don't care about privacy. And those who does can just opt out. Opt-out is still a dark pattern. For those who don't care about privacy, it should default to no data collection, with simple language detailing what will be collected, and what it's used for. I'm still in your camp though in that I'd trust Mozilla to not sell my data and instead use it to only improve their products.
0x0 6y ago
I clicked the "download on the app store" button, but ended up on a domain "app.adjust.com" showing a full screen "safari cannot open this page. The error was: the URL was blocked by a content blocker". Deceptive link, doesn't go to the regular ios app store for sure. If you want to "unf*ck the internet", perhaps start doing exactly that with your own links. I cannot understand why "adjust dot com" needs to insert itself between this page and the app store. If it's for installation tracking, why not host whatever tracking service on your own domain? AFAIK "adjust dot com" couldn't possibly offer any magic installation tracking that the first party domain couldn't offer.
dleslie 6y ago
What's the goal of this campaign? To raise awareness about Firefox's products and increase users? If so, who is the target demographic? The art and style look like they belong on Nickelodian. It's giving me a "Hello, fellow kids" vibe.
- theandrewbailey 6y ago
  Nit pick: Nickelodeon, not "Nickelodian".
- joveian 6y ago
  It reminds me of GOG's fckdrm.com site, that it looks like has been down for about a month but used to look like this: https://web.archive.org/web/20200817145700/https://fckdrm.com/ https://web.archive.org/web/20200817145700/https://fckdrm.co... I guess it wouldn't be down if it was wildly successful. Also, to their credit GOG was promoting DRM-free in general and it wasn't just an ad for GOG but linked to other DRM-free stores, including direct competitors. I see there are a few other links on Mozilla's page if you follow a link but mostly it looks like an ad for Firefox.
  - dleslie 6y ago
    I'm a big fan of GoG and Bandcamp. Weirdly, Steam doesn't get enough credit for being DRM-free for many of its games; games that don't ship their own DRM or use Steam CEG are effectively as DRM-free as GoG games are. You can't transfer them out of your account, but you could zip up the folder they reside in and copy it to another machine without problems.
    - joveian 6y ago
      The Steam executable itself is a DRM system, as far as I am aware there is no way to download via the website as there is with GOG (or Humble's DRM free options or other DRM-free sites), so personally I don't consider Steam ever DRM-free.
      - 6y ago
imode 6y ago
This is so tone-deaf it hurts to look at. The way it's presented feels like they're trying to pander to people. I use Firefox every single day. Focus on your browser, and let your product do the talking.
ffpip 6y ago
> Complains about facebook by saying it tracks users. > Links to a facebook owned company (giphy) in the next image.
alphachloride 6y ago
"u". Here, you dropped this. Omitting the 'u' doesn't suddenly change the weight of the word.
walrus01 6y ago
Is it too much to ask to use the full and uncensored word 'fuck'. I personally have no problem with casual profanity when its use is warranted, and am more "offended" by people who think they need to self censor themselves.
- katsume3 6y ago
  I always found people who use that word online never actually achieve the word's intended purpose, which is to emotionally charge your sentiment. The word is so common place that it has lost all meaning. Using it in the early days you were a rebel and the word actually shocked people. Today, not so much. Using it just makes you sound like another boring keyboard warrior.
- Wowfunhappy 6y ago
  > I personally have no problem with casual profanity when its use is warranted, and am more "offended" by people who think they need to self censor themselves. You could frame this the other way. I don't necessarily understand why people are so bothered by the word, but I also don't understand why avoiding it would bother you. Personally, I think it just makes the page accessible in more contexts. I'd feel ever-so-slightly embarrassed bringing up a page filled with course words while in the office. Removing the vowels makes me less embarrassed. We can have a discussion about if that makes any sense, but culture and traditions frequently don't make sense, and I don't think this is harming anyone.
- deleted 6y ago
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- dingaling 6y ago
  And pedantically the verb would be 'defuck'. Unfucked is an adjective.
twsted 6y ago
I love Firefox but my personal "fight-for-diversity" is carried on through the use of Safari, which I consider the best browser, at least on the Mac. On Linux I use Firefox. On Windows I would use Firefox.
- SwiftyBug 6y ago
  I wanted to try to move to Safari, but I use too much Firefox's containers feature. Is there a way I could have the same experience on Safari?
- bad_user 6y ago
  Safari doesn't have the privacy extensions of Firefox (e.g. uBlock Origin, Privacy Badger, Multi-Account Containers), or custom search keywords. I use Firefox on iOS actually, because I get to sync my custom search keywords. Also in my experience, while Safari is very efficient in terms of battery, Firefox has made great improvements in that department and also ... Safari chokes on more than 10 open tabs, whereas Firefox runs just fine with at least 10 times more tabs.
friendlybus 6y ago
The solution is to police your own ads and not use some services? It looks like we're out of ideas if the solution is to just use the internet less..
- bad_user 6y ago
  The solution is regulation. But that could take another decade to materialize, or more, so what do we do until then? On an individual level, yes, the solution right now is to avoid some services.
ChrisArchitect 6y ago
https://giphy.com/firefox https://giphy.com/firefox demographic target lean and whatever aside, deep in the giphy of promotional gifs ...Unfck this and that........there's one that says Un Zuck It hm, on the nose
parliament32 6y ago
>Put a lid on Facebook ><a id="js-fb" class="mzp-c-cta-link" href="http://facebook.com/sharer.php http://facebook.com/sharer.php... Yup...
- lucasmullens 6y ago
  That's just a link to Facebook, which is much better than the more common method for sharing which involves letting Facebook run JavaScript on your website.
MrBuddyCasino 6y ago
Pocket $2000 Firefox OS $15000 Persona $8000 CEO $3600 Firefox $150 someone who is good at the economy please help me budget this. my browser is dying
pixxel 6y ago
I’m struggling to stay loyal to Firefox. Mozilla feels like a bloated pig snuffling on Google’s handouts so that its many employees can enjoy a SV lifestyle. We just need devs and a designer or two to focus on Firefox.
- miloignis 6y ago
  This feels very uncharitable, given that they laid off 30% of their workforce and the remainder are pretty much all paid under SV market prices and work there because they believe in the mission. (At least, that was what I saw when I interned there in 2014 and everything I've heard since points to that still being the case)
troughway 6y ago
When you try to go up against FB and Google with feelgood nonsense: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6atSU2iUrdI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6atSU2iUrdI (yes, yes...)
sbmthakur 6y ago
Has anyone used Jumbo here? If yes, what's your review? https://desktop.jumboprivacy.com/ https://desktop.jumboprivacy.com/
- chris_f 6y ago
  It was really difficult to tell what the app actually does from their website. I was interested, but didn't want to have to download it just to find out.
MikusR 6y ago
Firefox installs a scheduled task that daily reports your default browser to Mozilla and you can't disable it because it comes back after an update. Also while Mozilla provides and constantly advertises (by showing a full page ad for it) an addon that blocks Facebook tracking it doesn't make or advertise an addon to block Google tracking (coincidentally Google pays Mozilla hundreds of millions every year)
antisthenes 6y ago
Firefox/Mozilla. Please stick to making a better browser, like you did back when the add-on ecosystem didn't suck and was vibrant and alive. All these semi-political initiatives just look childish virtue signalling, bankrolled by Google search money and don't do your history any justice.

120 points by mozillamaxx 6y ago

I love the blatant lies and propaganda by Firefox where they say the following: Privacy = Freedom The Firefox browser is built to protect your privacy at every turn - because that's the fastest way to free you from slow loads, bad ads, hackers and trackers. We get the worst of the internet out of the way so there's more room for the best. I have a couple of problems with this statement. 1) Firefox is not private out of the box. It's default search engine is Google and on the initial opening of FF it sends all kinds of data back to Firefox HQ. 2) Firefox sends telemetry data by default unless disabled. Telemetry data is made up of two data sets: interaction data and technical data. Interaction data includes information about your interactions with Firefox such as number of open tabs and windows, number of webpages visited, number and type of installed Firefox Add-ons and session length, as well as Firefox features offered by Mozilla or our partners such as interaction with Firefox search features and search partner referrals. Technical data includes information about your Firefox version and language, device operating system and hardware configuration, memory, basic information about crashes and errors, outcome of automated processes like updates and safebrowsing. When Firefox sends data to us, your IP address is temporarily collected as part of our server logs. 3) Firefox Android app it includes 4 trackers plus the default telemetry data collection mentioned above; -google admob -adjust -google firebase analytics -leanplum https://reports.exodus-privacy.eu.org/en/reports/org.mozilla.firefox/latest/ https://reports.exodus-privacy.eu.org/en/reports/org.mozilla... I really have to wonder, how Firefox has the stones to make such an outrageous statement concerning it being a privacy browser, when the truth is that it is not. If you want a truly private browser based on Firefox you have to choose for Android; Privacy Browser by Stoutner https://f-droid.org/en/packages/com.stoutner.privacybrowser.standard/ https://f-droid.org/en/packages/com.stoutner.privacybrowser.... ... and for Desktop "LibreWolf" https://librewolf-community.gitlab.io/ https://librewolf-community.gitlab.io/ Please Firefox, stop with the lies. You are not a privacy browser.

zettadam 6y ago

Unfck yourselves, Mozilla!

sieabahlpark 6y ago

> What you see online is not what your across-the-aisle uncle does. Hold advertisers accountable for misinformation by sharing the political ads you see to a public database. I'm sure this has never been tried by Facebook which they later claim is fucking the internet. Surly with a company as biased as Mozilla there couldn't be a bias or conflict of interest...

alg0rith 6y ago

Unfuck your own browsers first Mozilla

brummm 6y ago
It's honestly the best browser out there...
- krimeo 6y ago
  It is but it still could benefit from some unfckng of lately fckng introduced.

echelon 6y ago

Mozilla appears to be not long for this world, and it's incredibly sad. What we should be doing is pointing fingers at Google, who have no business running the world's top browser, search engine, and ad network. That's a monopoly.

untog 6y ago
Mozilla just signed another huge deal with Google for the default search engine in Firefox to be Google. Judgement of that deal aside for a moment, Mozilla isn't going anywhere soon.

ffpip 6y ago

Clicking on the link shown on the website assigns a unique ID to your version of Firefox downloaded from the playstore. Every user gets a unique ID. This ID is sent back to 'Adjust' when you install the app. So much for unfcking the internet. Hypocrisy everywhere.

x3ro 6y ago
Can you expand on this? On desktop I don't see anything being stored anywhere on this site, but I'm likely missing something.
- ffpip 6y ago
  Did you click on the play store link? It is not linked directly to the play store. it is run through a tracking company first, which then assigns a unique ID to your installation for knowing what caused users to install firefox. The ID is present in the URL. Click the link once more to get another ID assigned to you. Then when you open the app, The ID is sent back to the company along with a list of specific apps installed on your Android.
  - x3ro 6y ago
    Oh sorry, I misread your original comment. Now I understand what's happening. Thanks for elaborating :)
ignoramous 6y ago
Anonymous tracking is fine with them, I'd presume, and totally seems to be in line with Mozilla's stance, too, one would think. It isn't like their flagship product, Firefox, is free of all telemetry.
- ffpip 6y ago
  Unique Id is hardly anonymous. Anonymous tracking is already part of the URL. The ?utm_source=unfck part of the URL helps Mozilla know how many people installed Firefox from that link.

BitwiseFool 6y ago

Is it too much to ask for a tech company to just focus on their product and not delve into social advocacy? Edit: The Unfck the Internet project proclaims to be all about user privacy, but it promotes an extension to report political ads and an extension to report recommended YouTube videos (with the goal of not exposing people certain content). That is why I see this as social advocacy because it's clearly got political motives.

x3ro 6y ago
I don't understand this stance to be honest. Do you also think that Apple's focus on privacy is wrong? Why would a company building a web browser not be concerned about the state of the web, the privacy of it's users, etc? These things seem to be directly related to their product.
- brokenc0de 6y ago
  Because Mozilla doesn't care about the privacy of their users. If they did, Pocket would be easily disabled, and they would have zero telemetry (like Ungoogled Chromium).
  - x3ro 6y ago
    I don't think the things you cite necessarily mean "Mozilla doesn't care about the privacy of it's users". There's always room for improvement, but "they're not perfect" != "they don't care". Tangentially related: ungoogled Chromium has some impact on Google's monetisation, but zero impact on their browser monopoly, because in the end you're still using their browser engine. So if you're talking about counteracting browser monopoly, ungoogled Chromium is not a good choice.
    - brokenc0de 6y ago
      I will name drop Librewolf as the "Ungoogled Chromium" of Firefox-based browsers. However, the web itself is tightly controlled by Google, and for me using UG Chromium is the best bet. I've stopped caring about the browser monopoly and instead looked for ways to minimize my usage of browsers and the web in general.

gambler 6y ago

Things Mozilla could do right now that would greatly improve our security and privacy: Add anti-fingerprinting tech to the core browser or at least verify one of the existing add-ons that do it. Add PGP/GPG to the core browser. Look into sandboxing. Maybe pick up maintenance of Sanboxie.

krimeo 6y ago
I am not a big fan of Mozilla (though I still use it because it is the least bad browser for me) but you can already set: privacy.resistFingerprinting to 'true' in about:config It is not perfect, of course, but helps a lot. Expect some sites to break.
- ffpip 6y ago
  privacy.resistfingerprinting is strictly for advanced users. Always attach a huge warning when asking people to enable it. Examples of breakage - while enabling 2FA on any site, or using sites that offer the ability to edit photos, canvas picker, etc.
tatersolid 6y ago
> Add PGP/GPG to the core browser. Please, no. 1990s ball-of-mud insecure crypto with unusable UX? Pass. We don’t need the browser to be the client for everything. We just got FTP and Gopher removed!

brokenc0de 6y ago

>choose independent tech Yeah, and Firefox is a corporation that gets hundreds of millions of dollars a year from Google, whose CEO gets paid about $2 million a year. I won't get into their politics, because frankly they shouldn't matter, but please actually start working on your browser, Mozilla. Ungoogled Chromium is eating your lunch.

henil2911 6y ago

It makes me sad to see people targeting Mozilla for everything. Like yeah its default browser is Google because that's the way they can pay developers to work on it. For now they are only viable alternative in browser space. Yeah it collects data(only after asking for appropriate permission) which too is anonymous(i might be wrong here). But they are not collecting it to make profit out of it like google. Its only to make firefox better. And people suggesting to use forks of firefox keep in mind if there is no firefox there are no forks. I am not qualified to comment on Mozilla's way of handling their funds. But it is what it is for now. But atleast if you use firefox daily show some love!

ffpip 6y ago
> Like yeah its default browser is Google because that's the way they can pay developers to work on it. Not many people complain about this btw. It's a foolish argument. If Yahoo or DDG is the default, most people will just switch back to Google. >only after asking for appropriate permission No. it's opt out. > which too is anonymous No >There is no firefox there are no forks That's one of the most important points. Without Firefox, TOR browser will not exist either. >But atleast if you use firefox daily show some love! Yep! It's my default browser. Has killer features no other browser has.
- henil2911 6y ago
  > Not many people complain about this btw. It's a foolish argument. If Yahoo or DDG is the default, most people will just switch back to Google. That was in reply to a comment which was deleted by the commenter. >only after asking for appropriate permission >No. it's opt out. Oh never noticed that. But I think that's because its just annoyance for the people who don't care about privacy. And those who does can just opt out. > which too is anonymous > No Whatever it maybe I trust Mozilla more than Google. I am not being a fanboy too. Mozilla is not some giant tech company selling your data to advertisers.
  - prophesi 6y ago
    > Oh never noticed that. But I think that's because its just annoyance for the people who don't care about privacy. And those who does can just opt out. Opt-out is still a dark pattern. For those who don't care about privacy, it should default to no data collection, with simple language detailing what will be collected, and what it's used for. I'm still in your camp though in that I'd trust Mozilla to not sell my data and instead use it to only improve their products.

0x0 6y ago

I clicked the "download on the app store" button, but ended up on a domain "app.adjust.com" showing a full screen "safari cannot open this page. The error was: the URL was blocked by a content blocker". Deceptive link, doesn't go to the regular ios app store for sure. If you want to "unf*ck the internet", perhaps start doing exactly that with your own links. I cannot understand why "adjust dot com" needs to insert itself between this page and the app store. If it's for installation tracking, why not host whatever tracking service on your own domain? AFAIK "adjust dot com" couldn't possibly offer any magic installation tracking that the first party domain couldn't offer.

dleslie 6y ago

What's the goal of this campaign? To raise awareness about Firefox's products and increase users? If so, who is the target demographic? The art and style look like they belong on Nickelodian. It's giving me a "Hello, fellow kids" vibe.

theandrewbailey 6y ago
Nit pick: Nickelodeon, not "Nickelodian".
joveian 6y ago
It reminds me of GOG's fckdrm.com site, that it looks like has been down for about a month but used to look like this: https://web.archive.org/web/20200817145700/https://fckdrm.com/ https://web.archive.org/web/20200817145700/https://fckdrm.co... I guess it wouldn't be down if it was wildly successful. Also, to their credit GOG was promoting DRM-free in general and it wasn't just an ad for GOG but linked to other DRM-free stores, including direct competitors. I see there are a few other links on Mozilla's page if you follow a link but mostly it looks like an ad for Firefox.
- dleslie 6y ago
  I'm a big fan of GoG and Bandcamp. Weirdly, Steam doesn't get enough credit for being DRM-free for many of its games; games that don't ship their own DRM or use Steam CEG are effectively as DRM-free as GoG games are. You can't transfer them out of your account, but you could zip up the folder they reside in and copy it to another machine without problems.
  - joveian 6y ago
    The Steam executable itself is a DRM system, as far as I am aware there is no way to download via the website as there is with GOG (or Humble's DRM free options or other DRM-free sites), so personally I don't consider Steam ever DRM-free.
    - 6y ago

imode 6y ago

This is so tone-deaf it hurts to look at. The way it's presented feels like they're trying to pander to people. I use Firefox every single day. Focus on your browser, and let your product do the talking.

ffpip 6y ago

> Complains about facebook by saying it tracks users. > Links to a facebook owned company (giphy) in the next image.

alphachloride 6y ago

"u". Here, you dropped this. Omitting the 'u' doesn't suddenly change the weight of the word.

walrus01 6y ago

Is it too much to ask to use the full and uncensored word 'fuck'. I personally have no problem with casual profanity when its use is warranted, and am more "offended" by people who think they need to self censor themselves.

katsume3 6y ago
I always found people who use that word online never actually achieve the word's intended purpose, which is to emotionally charge your sentiment. The word is so common place that it has lost all meaning. Using it in the early days you were a rebel and the word actually shocked people. Today, not so much. Using it just makes you sound like another boring keyboard warrior.
Wowfunhappy 6y ago
> I personally have no problem with casual profanity when its use is warranted, and am more "offended" by people who think they need to self censor themselves. You could frame this the other way. I don't necessarily understand why people are so bothered by the word, but I also don't understand why avoiding it would bother you. Personally, I think it just makes the page accessible in more contexts. I'd feel ever-so-slightly embarrassed bringing up a page filled with course words while in the office. Removing the vowels makes me less embarrassed. We can have a discussion about if that makes any sense, but culture and traditions frequently don't make sense, and I don't think this is harming anyone.
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dingaling 6y ago
And pedantically the verb would be 'defuck'. Unfucked is an adjective.

twsted 6y ago

I love Firefox but my personal "fight-for-diversity" is carried on through the use of Safari, which I consider the best browser, at least on the Mac. On Linux I use Firefox. On Windows I would use Firefox.

SwiftyBug 6y ago
I wanted to try to move to Safari, but I use too much Firefox's containers feature. Is there a way I could have the same experience on Safari?
bad_user 6y ago
Safari doesn't have the privacy extensions of Firefox (e.g. uBlock Origin, Privacy Badger, Multi-Account Containers), or custom search keywords. I use Firefox on iOS actually, because I get to sync my custom search keywords. Also in my experience, while Safari is very efficient in terms of battery, Firefox has made great improvements in that department and also ... Safari chokes on more than 10 open tabs, whereas Firefox runs just fine with at least 10 times more tabs.

friendlybus 6y ago

The solution is to police your own ads and not use some services? It looks like we're out of ideas if the solution is to just use the internet less..

bad_user 6y ago
The solution is regulation. But that could take another decade to materialize, or more, so what do we do until then? On an individual level, yes, the solution right now is to avoid some services.

ChrisArchitect 6y ago

https://giphy.com/firefox https://giphy.com/firefox demographic target lean and whatever aside, deep in the giphy of promotional gifs ...Unfck this and that........there's one that says Un Zuck It hm, on the nose

parliament32 6y ago

>Put a lid on Facebook ><a id="js-fb" class="mzp-c-cta-link" href="http://facebook.com/sharer.php http://facebook.com/sharer.php... Yup...

lucasmullens 6y ago
That's just a link to Facebook, which is much better than the more common method for sharing which involves letting Facebook run JavaScript on your website.

MrBuddyCasino 6y ago

Pocket $2000 Firefox OS $15000 Persona $8000 CEO $3600 Firefox $150 someone who is good at the economy please help me budget this. my browser is dying

pixxel 6y ago

I’m struggling to stay loyal to Firefox. Mozilla feels like a bloated pig snuffling on Google’s handouts so that its many employees can enjoy a SV lifestyle. We just need devs and a designer or two to focus on Firefox.

miloignis 6y ago
This feels very uncharitable, given that they laid off 30% of their workforce and the remainder are pretty much all paid under SV market prices and work there because they believe in the mission. (At least, that was what I saw when I interned there in 2014 and everything I've heard since points to that still being the case)

troughway 6y ago

When you try to go up against FB and Google with feelgood nonsense: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6atSU2iUrdI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6atSU2iUrdI (yes, yes...)

sbmthakur 6y ago

Has anyone used Jumbo here? If yes, what's your review? https://desktop.jumboprivacy.com/ https://desktop.jumboprivacy.com/

chris_f 6y ago
It was really difficult to tell what the app actually does from their website. I was interested, but didn't want to have to download it just to find out.

MikusR 6y ago

Firefox installs a scheduled task that daily reports your default browser to Mozilla and you can't disable it because it comes back after an update. Also while Mozilla provides and constantly advertises (by showing a full page ad for it) an addon that blocks Facebook tracking it doesn't make or advertise an addon to block Google tracking (coincidentally Google pays Mozilla hundreds of millions every year)

antisthenes 6y ago

Firefox/Mozilla. Please stick to making a better browser, like you did back when the add-on ecosystem didn't suck and was vibrant and alive. All these semi-political initiatives just look childish virtue signalling, bankrolled by Google search money and don't do your history any justice.