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It's definitely irritating, but on what legal grounds should this be declared illegal?

bluntfang 6y ago
I don't understand the question. Just make it illegal. That's the legal grounds. Are you asking for a court precedent or something? IANAL. I assure you that if there was a federal popular vote question for "should airlines be able to advertise to you on the airplane where you can't turn them off after you paids 100s of dollars for a ticket?" there would be a unanimous NO.
- sokoloff 6y ago
  > I don't understand the question. Just make it illegal. That's the legal grounds. Are there other types of private speech you would like to make illegal?
  - tedunangst 6y ago
    I would like to make it illegal to clutter up HN threads with off topic comments.
    - sokoloff 6y ago
      Apologies if I did not leave the dots close enough that it seemed off-topic. In the US (which regulates all the air carriers mentioned by name in the article), the First Amendment presents a high hurdle to government prohibition of speech. In a subthread on the legal standing for a proposed ban on advertising/solicitation in flight, that hurdle seems significant and certainly relevant to me.
      - jkinudsjknds 6y ago
        having an ad channel is free speech. Making the ad unable to be turned off is forcing you to listen.
  - bluntfang 6y ago
    Yes, let's just do the whole advertising industry. If you pay for a service, it is illegal to solicit advertisements to your customers.
    - calvano915 6y ago
      > Yes, let's just do the whole advertising industry. If you pay for a service, it is illegal to solicit advertisements to your customers. Or perhaps require opt-in be offered (like the discount Kindle with ads on screen while sleeping).
- joncrane 6y ago
  If there was a federal popular vote, the airlines would spend millions and millions on ads, op-ed pieces, and social media engagement farms to try to get people to vote in their favor. Given the current climate, I think they'd have a pretty good chance of being successful.
srtjstjsj 6y ago
Harrassing people who are trapped in the plane and can't escape or opt out.
- avalys 6y ago
  You can opt out by not flying on that airline.
  - mcv 6y ago
    Do they make sufficiently clear before you book what you're opting in to?
    - hombre_fatal 6y ago
      Bring headphones. That way your life isn't at the mercy of scanning a bunch of fine print documentation for what might or might not be there before you take actions.
- mcv 6y ago
  Yu certainly manage to paint American airlines as dystopian hellholes. My limited experience with airtravel is that they explain safety procedures and regular bring you something to eat and drink, and otherwise leave to alone to sleep, read or watch some in-flight movie on a tiny screen.
- throwaheyy 6y ago
  Nobody's "trapped" on a plane. They're there voluntarily.

I don't understand the question. Just make it illegal. That's the legal grounds. Are you asking for a court precedent or something? IANAL. I assure you that if there was a federal popular vote question for "should airlines be able to advertise to you on the airplane where you can't turn them off after you paids 100s of dollars for a ticket?" there would be a unanimous NO.

sokoloff 6y ago
> I don't understand the question. Just make it illegal. That's the legal grounds. Are there other types of private speech you would like to make illegal?
- tedunangst 6y ago
  I would like to make it illegal to clutter up HN threads with off topic comments.
  - sokoloff 6y ago
    Apologies if I did not leave the dots close enough that it seemed off-topic. In the US (which regulates all the air carriers mentioned by name in the article), the First Amendment presents a high hurdle to government prohibition of speech. In a subthread on the legal standing for a proposed ban on advertising/solicitation in flight, that hurdle seems significant and certainly relevant to me.
    - jkinudsjknds 6y ago
      having an ad channel is free speech. Making the ad unable to be turned off is forcing you to listen.
- bluntfang 6y ago
  Yes, let's just do the whole advertising industry. If you pay for a service, it is illegal to solicit advertisements to your customers.
  - calvano915 6y ago
    > Yes, let's just do the whole advertising industry. If you pay for a service, it is illegal to solicit advertisements to your customers. Or perhaps require opt-in be offered (like the discount Kindle with ads on screen while sleeping).
joncrane 6y ago
If there was a federal popular vote, the airlines would spend millions and millions on ads, op-ed pieces, and social media engagement farms to try to get people to vote in their favor. Given the current climate, I think they'd have a pretty good chance of being successful.

srtjstjsj 6y ago

Harrassing people who are trapped in the plane and can't escape or opt out.

avalys 6y ago
You can opt out by not flying on that airline.
- mcv 6y ago
  Do they make sufficiently clear before you book what you're opting in to?
  - hombre_fatal 6y ago
    Bring headphones. That way your life isn't at the mercy of scanning a bunch of fine print documentation for what might or might not be there before you take actions.
mcv 6y ago
Yu certainly manage to paint American airlines as dystopian hellholes. My limited experience with airtravel is that they explain safety procedures and regular bring you something to eat and drink, and otherwise leave to alone to sleep, read or watch some in-flight movie on a tiny screen.
throwaheyy 6y ago
Nobody's "trapped" on a plane. They're there voluntarily.