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Show HN: Building a project based on universal income concept

14 points by Johan_Bavaud 6y ago

Johan_Bavaud 6y ago
TL;DR - 01.10.2020 (today): publication of the ROI project’s landing page. It's the first time I publish something online I coded from scratch - I profoundly love this feeling : this is so satisfying ! - I started coding on July 2020 and this landing page is made only in vanilla JS, CSS and HTML boosted with Gulp sauces : result of my summer self-taught frameworkless learning. - ROI is my 6th project and will mix all my experiences from the last twelve years. All of them were launched under the "early-shipping" rules. - This time, I aim to become the CTO for learning purpose. - I will keep my idea under "not clearly stated" status until its released : even if it goes against the dynamics of indies, MVP, lean-startup… I have specific reasons which I explain here : https://community.indiestack.co/t/root-rise-of-indies-version-1-577e-10ms/434 https://community.indiestack.co/t/root-rise-of-indies-versio... Nothing new will be launch beyond this Landing Page until β-version, around March 2021. I am looking forward to read your feed-back - be rough, I haven't had any "dev-hazing" yet - about : UX/UI Copywrite (English is not my mother tongue). Responsive General appearance Thanks !
- quickthrower2 6y ago
  Feels like something’s missing. You had me hooked with the copy - it’s really intriguing but then it sort of just goes to a opt in form with no explaination about what you are offering? I’m confused and a bit disappointed.
  - Johan_Bavaud 6y ago
    It saddens me to know that you feel that way, sincerely. I would have liked to show more, but I'm absolutely not "technically" ready. By posting ROI, I wanted to get some criticism about the technical and aesthetics side first since it's my "hello world". I am not really looking for subscribers (otherwise I have to upgrade my account). That was more just to see if everything goes fine with a bit more traffic than me refreshing the page :D
    - quickthrower2 6y ago
      Don’t want you to feel sad! All you need is to describe what it is you are doing. Even at a high level. I’m building a XYZ. The page is otherwise 99% there.
- tobr 6y ago
  > I will keep my idea under "not clearly stated" status until its released : even if it goes against the dynamics of indies, MVP, lean-startup… I have specific reasons which I explain here : https://community.indiestack.co/t/root-rise-of-indies-version-1-577e-10ms/434 https://community.indiestack.co/t/root-rise-of-indies-versio... This link just takes me to a login form. Not sure if that’s intended/expected.
  - Johan_Bavaud 6y ago
    Yes it is ! I'm part of this super active Indie hacker community since august and I am totally convincing by how its run. However, you have to sign-up and pays a small contribution to discuss with us. It's worth it only if you are an indie hacker/side-project builder/... I guess. And behind the paywall, you will find the complete explaination of the project Rise-of-Indies. (As it's more "intimate" and that I don't want to expose every details of my thought on HN, It's a great choice)
    - tobr 6y ago
      > (As it's more "intimate" and that I don't want to expose every details of my thought on HN, It's a great choice) Well, do you or do you not want to engage with the HN community? Paywalls and signup pages are not allowed as Show HN’s.
      - Johan_Bavaud 6y ago
        Yes I want, but this is not the purpose here. If you want to know more about it, there is a place for that which is the link I shared. It's an add-on, not a trick. What I was asking to the HN community is more the technical side of my page. I know there are lot of dev here and that could be a great way to improve my skills.
skoll43 6y ago
i was less confused when i visited the https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cicada_3301 https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cicada_3301 website and that was cryptic on purpose
- Johan_Bavaud 6y ago
  Soon. ;)
jkingsbery 6y ago
Leaving aside grammar/spelling/weird choice, it's not clear what this is for or why someone would want to sign up. Landing Pages usually a landing page for a thing - it's not clear what the thing is here (other than something having to do with liking UBI, I guess?).
- Johan_Bavaud 6y ago
  "Leaving aside grammar/spelling/weird choice" No, please, don't leave that aside :) The French version is really convincing from my opinion and 5 external opinions. It's a translation problem. "it's not clear what the thing is here" As i mention in an another comment, as long as I haven't managed to reach the technical level I want to reach, it's difficult to say more without being incomprehensible. ... But, apparently, it won't be worse than now :D See this share as a way to warm-up the thing : I will be better next time !
tantalor 6y ago
"fight against single thought"??
- Johan_Bavaud 6y ago
  Mmmh, it seems to be more an european expression : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pens%C3%A9e_unique https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pens%C3%A9e_unique If you have any other great alternativ, I would be happy to read it
  - tantalor 6y ago
    "groupthink" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Groupthink https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Groupthink
    - Johan_Bavaud 6y ago
      THANK YOU !
caballeto 6y ago
"Indie for 12 years myself". "It's the first time I publish something online I coded from scratch" How does this add up? You have been building online businesses for 12 years without coding and publishing anything online?
- Johan_Bavaud 6y ago
  perhaps a language problem in this case. I've been working digitally for 12 years (creating project with no-code tools or people with dev skills), and I've never written a line of code. So this is the first time I write code and then publish it. Is there a better way to say it?
pogorniy 6y ago
Form submission does not work for me (FF, mac) js exception: Uncaught ReferenceError: _form_serialize is not defined --- Another exception above: Uncaught TypeError: Property 'handleEvent' is not callable. --- There is no easy way to contact you: twitter does not allow direct messages.
- toxicFork 6y ago
  Hack: copy and paste this code into your developer console (except the module.exports line at the bottom) https://github.com/defunctzombie/form-serialize/blob/master/index.js https://github.com/defunctzombie/form-serialize/blob/master/... then also write in developer console: > window._form_serialize = serialize
  - Johan_Bavaud 6y ago
    Great ! I will investigate that point and my form that seems not to work properly. Thanks, most helpful answer until now !
SuddsMcDuff 6y ago
Mystery and intrigue can be a good way to build hype. On this occasion I felt less intrigued, and more bewildered. To play the intrigue angle, you should be very concise with the text. Three or four bullet points, a relase date, and a mailing list form. Nothing more. Your site has quite a lot of text, but all of it dances around the core point without directly addressing it. If anything it made me slightly angry. I invested time reading all of your site, and really I had nothing to show at the end of it.
- Johan_Bavaud 6y ago
  The truth is that I don't "play" anything on purpose. I haven't yet reached the technical level to be able to offer something concrete and complete. Today, the idea was more to do a test post on HN (which is good since I learned that the pages to collect emails are forbidden) and to receive feedback on the technical part. I'm sorry for wasting your time and I thank you for wasting more time to tell me that you waste time in an "inception" comment spiral of time wasted. I take all your advices if one day I want to build hype and mystery around something, thank you a lot !
LaundroMat 6y ago
Well it worked with me :) I'm looking forward to hearing more about this. Good luck!

14 points by Johan_Bavaud 6y ago

TL;DR - 01.10.2020 (today): publication of the ROI project’s landing page. It's the first time I publish something online I coded from scratch - I profoundly love this feeling : this is so satisfying ! - I started coding on July 2020 and this landing page is made only in vanilla JS, CSS and HTML boosted with Gulp sauces : result of my summer self-taught frameworkless learning. - ROI is my 6th project and will mix all my experiences from the last twelve years. All of them were launched under the "early-shipping" rules. - This time, I aim to become the CTO for learning purpose. - I will keep my idea under "not clearly stated" status until its released : even if it goes against the dynamics of indies, MVP, lean-startup… I have specific reasons which I explain here : https://community.indiestack.co/t/root-rise-of-indies-version-1-577e-10ms/434 https://community.indiestack.co/t/root-rise-of-indies-versio... Nothing new will be launch beyond this Landing Page until β-version, around March 2021. I am looking forward to read your feed-back - be rough, I haven't had any "dev-hazing" yet - about : UX/UI Copywrite (English is not my mother tongue). Responsive General appearance Thanks !

quickthrower2 6y ago
Feels like something’s missing. You had me hooked with the copy - it’s really intriguing but then it sort of just goes to a opt in form with no explaination about what you are offering? I’m confused and a bit disappointed.
- Johan_Bavaud 6y ago
  It saddens me to know that you feel that way, sincerely. I would have liked to show more, but I'm absolutely not "technically" ready. By posting ROI, I wanted to get some criticism about the technical and aesthetics side first since it's my "hello world". I am not really looking for subscribers (otherwise I have to upgrade my account). That was more just to see if everything goes fine with a bit more traffic than me refreshing the page :D
  - quickthrower2 6y ago
    Don’t want you to feel sad! All you need is to describe what it is you are doing. Even at a high level. I’m building a XYZ. The page is otherwise 99% there.
tobr 6y ago
> I will keep my idea under "not clearly stated" status until its released : even if it goes against the dynamics of indies, MVP, lean-startup… I have specific reasons which I explain here : https://community.indiestack.co/t/root-rise-of-indies-version-1-577e-10ms/434 https://community.indiestack.co/t/root-rise-of-indies-versio... This link just takes me to a login form. Not sure if that’s intended/expected.
- Johan_Bavaud 6y ago
  Yes it is ! I'm part of this super active Indie hacker community since august and I am totally convincing by how its run. However, you have to sign-up and pays a small contribution to discuss with us. It's worth it only if you are an indie hacker/side-project builder/... I guess. And behind the paywall, you will find the complete explaination of the project Rise-of-Indies. (As it's more "intimate" and that I don't want to expose every details of my thought on HN, It's a great choice)
  - tobr 6y ago
    > (As it's more "intimate" and that I don't want to expose every details of my thought on HN, It's a great choice) Well, do you or do you not want to engage with the HN community? Paywalls and signup pages are not allowed as Show HN’s.
    - Johan_Bavaud 6y ago
      Yes I want, but this is not the purpose here. If you want to know more about it, there is a place for that which is the link I shared. It's an add-on, not a trick. What I was asking to the HN community is more the technical side of my page. I know there are lot of dev here and that could be a great way to improve my skills.

skoll43 6y ago

i was less confused when i visited the https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cicada_3301 https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cicada_3301 website and that was cryptic on purpose

Johan_Bavaud 6y ago
Soon. ;)

jkingsbery 6y ago

Leaving aside grammar/spelling/weird choice, it's not clear what this is for or why someone would want to sign up. Landing Pages usually a landing page for a thing - it's not clear what the thing is here (other than something having to do with liking UBI, I guess?).

Johan_Bavaud 6y ago
"Leaving aside grammar/spelling/weird choice" No, please, don't leave that aside :) The French version is really convincing from my opinion and 5 external opinions. It's a translation problem. "it's not clear what the thing is here" As i mention in an another comment, as long as I haven't managed to reach the technical level I want to reach, it's difficult to say more without being incomprehensible. ... But, apparently, it won't be worse than now :D See this share as a way to warm-up the thing : I will be better next time !

tantalor 6y ago

"fight against single thought"??

Johan_Bavaud 6y ago
Mmmh, it seems to be more an european expression : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pens%C3%A9e_unique https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pens%C3%A9e_unique If you have any other great alternativ, I would be happy to read it
- tantalor 6y ago
  "groupthink" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Groupthink https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Groupthink
  - Johan_Bavaud 6y ago
    THANK YOU !

caballeto 6y ago

"Indie for 12 years myself". "It's the first time I publish something online I coded from scratch" How does this add up? You have been building online businesses for 12 years without coding and publishing anything online?

Johan_Bavaud 6y ago
perhaps a language problem in this case. I've been working digitally for 12 years (creating project with no-code tools or people with dev skills), and I've never written a line of code. So this is the first time I write code and then publish it. Is there a better way to say it?

pogorniy 6y ago

Form submission does not work for me (FF, mac) js exception: Uncaught ReferenceError: _form_serialize is not defined --- Another exception above: Uncaught TypeError: Property 'handleEvent' is not callable. --- There is no easy way to contact you: twitter does not allow direct messages.

toxicFork 6y ago
Hack: copy and paste this code into your developer console (except the module.exports line at the bottom) https://github.com/defunctzombie/form-serialize/blob/master/index.js https://github.com/defunctzombie/form-serialize/blob/master/... then also write in developer console: > window._form_serialize = serialize
- Johan_Bavaud 6y ago
  Great ! I will investigate that point and my form that seems not to work properly. Thanks, most helpful answer until now !

SuddsMcDuff 6y ago

Mystery and intrigue can be a good way to build hype. On this occasion I felt less intrigued, and more bewildered. To play the intrigue angle, you should be very concise with the text. Three or four bullet points, a relase date, and a mailing list form. Nothing more. Your site has quite a lot of text, but all of it dances around the core point without directly addressing it. If anything it made me slightly angry. I invested time reading all of your site, and really I had nothing to show at the end of it.

Johan_Bavaud 6y ago
The truth is that I don't "play" anything on purpose. I haven't yet reached the technical level to be able to offer something concrete and complete. Today, the idea was more to do a test post on HN (which is good since I learned that the pages to collect emails are forbidden) and to receive feedback on the technical part. I'm sorry for wasting your time and I thank you for wasting more time to tell me that you waste time in an "inception" comment spiral of time wasted. I take all your advices if one day I want to build hype and mystery around something, thank you a lot !

LaundroMat 6y ago

Well it worked with me :) I'm looking forward to hearing more about this. Good luck!