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EU launches legal action against UK for breaching withdrawal agreement

31 points by s_dev 6y ago

poooogles 6y ago
I do wonder how long Boris is going to last as PM before he's thrown to the dogs by the 1922 committee. I assume once the steaming pile of shit that is Brexit is somehow "completed" by the end of the year he will step down rather than be replaced. If there's anything the conservatives have been good at over the past 10 years it's recognising when a leader has had their time so they can pivot to someone new.
- arethuza 6y ago
  They've only had 3 leaders in the last ten years - Cameron went after losing the Brexit referendum and Theresa May's departure was pretty slow and painful for everyone.
  - poooogles 6y ago
    In the minds of many conservatives Cameron was very successful for the first 5 years so I'd ignore his first term.
- libertine 6y ago
  Well according to history it seems that once people see that the democracy and it's organisms are again back at work (like purging corruption, fixing major social problems/systems, or even a change in public perception) then the population seems to dismiss populist figures and place their trust back in the hands of moderate parties. Because in some sense these caricatures, like Boris, pop up when people are fed up with the status quo - even if they don't quite understand it, or if they are just able to see part of it. They just know something is wrong in their point of view - which is probably true. I can give you the example of Portugal, the population is so fed up with the cycle of same parties giving us the same outcomes (mostly fueled by corruption), and those parties refuse to handle the corruption... because you know, now it's their turn... and we're yet again in a set back. So an extreme right party is gaining A LOT of ground, and doesn't show signs of stopping. Our justice system doesn't have the tools (namely laws) to fight corruption, neither the bodies of the state have mechanisms to purge it. So, people are done with the status quo. Hopefully here we have some changes that will stop this event from happening, because it's a matter of time.
  - soco 6y ago
    Interesting point, it also explains Spain and Italy. But in other countries I've seen those "anti system" parties coming in left/right pairs: Podemos/Vox respectively ForzaItalia/5Stelle. Doesn't Portugal have an equivalent leftwing counterpart?
    - libertine 6y ago
      >Doesn't Portugal have an equivalent left wing counterpart? We do have them, it's BE, (hell we even have a Communist Party) - yet they are part of a "coalition" with the current government, so they are part of the problem, because they are pushing some of their agendas and avoiding any other agenda that destabilizes the current governmental solution. So they are effectively part of the "system". What's the result? The polls show that they are losing votes and popularity.
      - soco 6y ago
        Also this is following the same trend: 5 Stelle and Podemos heading downwards, while the rightwing surviving all fine. Apparently blaming it on the foreigners is a universal and powerful differentiator. At the same time I'm sure it avoids focusing too much on changing the local mechanisms of power (just on changing the leadership), because in the end they're hoping to profit from them just the same.
        libertine 6y ago
        Here they are blaming it on refugees, small minorities that receive government support, some criminal actors (like pedophiles), and politicians overall - things that generate anger in some people. Yet no one talks about implementing EU norms to deal with corruption, implement ISO standards for corruption in public organizations/companies, justice system reforms, ban politicians from having jobs in companies/organizations that had businesses with the state (law firms, telcos, energy, construction, etc - this is the standard path for a "successful politician" career in Portugal), etc. This is the true siphon of taxes, private deals where the state is always the underdog and has to pay rents in perpetuity adding up to thousands of millions of euros. It's not the support of minorities, or the refugees boogieman that's coming to take our jobs...
bryanrasmussen 6y ago
I noticed the guardian now wants you to register for free so as to enable personalized advertising - I guess they are no longer bound by GDPR. on edit: as people don't seem to understand why I would think the Guardian is no longer GDPR compliant, relevant section https://gdpr-info.eu/art-7-gdpr/ https://gdpr-info.eu/art-7-gdpr/ When assessing whether consent is freely given, utmost account shall be taken of whether, inter alia, the performance of a contract, including the provision of a service, is conditional on consent to the processing of personal data that is not necessary for the performance of that contract. it is obviously not necessary to get my personal details to show me the article, but they make me giving the personal details (which they will use to provided targeted ads, so sharing the data, conditional on giving access to the article)
- s_dev 6y ago
  When you sign up for an account your give your consent for them to store your email and identify you to send ads. That is GDPR compliant. After even giving consent -- if you decide -- you have the right to withdraw that consent.
  - bryanrasmussen 6y ago
    GDPR says you cannot require someone to give up privacy to provide a service if you can provide that service without their giving up privacy. Therefore you cannot say if you give up your privacy I will show you the rest of this article, because there is nothing intrinsically requiring personally identifying the user for you to be able to display the article. Thus if they say you will have to pay with your privacy or with money to see this, they are no longer GDPR compliant. Of course a paywall would be GDPR compliant, ironically enough. https://gdpr-info.eu/art-7-gdpr/ https://gdpr-info.eu/art-7-gdpr/ When assessing whether consent is freely given, utmost account shall be taken of whether, inter alia, the performance of a contract, including the provision of a service, is conditional on consent to the processing of personal data that is not necessary for the performance of that contract. I will now go add this information to my original comment, as people do not seem to understand this matter.
- DanBC 6y ago
s_dev 6y ago
Will be interesting to see if Nichola Sturgeon can get a referendum in the next few years. Can't see the Scottish sticking with the Union for more than another decade. Even previous Conservative PMs have said BJs plant to break law is absolutely shocking.
- akmarinov 6y ago
  Westminster will not agree to a referendum any time soon, so unlikely to happen.
register 6y ago
Finally! It was time that the EU started to take serious actions about UK behaviour.
tonyedgecombe 6y ago
I fully expect the government to cave in over the internal market bill. They can't afford to walk away from a deal and they know it. Boris has enough of a majority that he can ignore the nutcases at the fringe of his party.
throwawaymanbot 6y ago
What has become of the UK? Its sad.
davidhbolton 6y ago
There are 800 pending cases of infringements by EU countries. It's not exactly unusual... https://ec.europa.eu/internal_market/scoreboard/performance_by_governance_tool/infringements/index_en.htm https://ec.europa.eu/internal_market/scoreboard/performance_...

31 points by s_dev 6y ago

I do wonder how long Boris is going to last as PM before he's thrown to the dogs by the 1922 committee. I assume once the steaming pile of shit that is Brexit is somehow "completed" by the end of the year he will step down rather than be replaced. If there's anything the conservatives have been good at over the past 10 years it's recognising when a leader has had their time so they can pivot to someone new.

arethuza 6y ago
They've only had 3 leaders in the last ten years - Cameron went after losing the Brexit referendum and Theresa May's departure was pretty slow and painful for everyone.
- poooogles 6y ago
  In the minds of many conservatives Cameron was very successful for the first 5 years so I'd ignore his first term.
libertine 6y ago
Well according to history it seems that once people see that the democracy and it's organisms are again back at work (like purging corruption, fixing major social problems/systems, or even a change in public perception) then the population seems to dismiss populist figures and place their trust back in the hands of moderate parties. Because in some sense these caricatures, like Boris, pop up when people are fed up with the status quo - even if they don't quite understand it, or if they are just able to see part of it. They just know something is wrong in their point of view - which is probably true. I can give you the example of Portugal, the population is so fed up with the cycle of same parties giving us the same outcomes (mostly fueled by corruption), and those parties refuse to handle the corruption... because you know, now it's their turn... and we're yet again in a set back. So an extreme right party is gaining A LOT of ground, and doesn't show signs of stopping. Our justice system doesn't have the tools (namely laws) to fight corruption, neither the bodies of the state have mechanisms to purge it. So, people are done with the status quo. Hopefully here we have some changes that will stop this event from happening, because it's a matter of time.
- soco 6y ago
  Interesting point, it also explains Spain and Italy. But in other countries I've seen those "anti system" parties coming in left/right pairs: Podemos/Vox respectively ForzaItalia/5Stelle. Doesn't Portugal have an equivalent leftwing counterpart?
  - libertine 6y ago
    >Doesn't Portugal have an equivalent left wing counterpart? We do have them, it's BE, (hell we even have a Communist Party) - yet they are part of a "coalition" with the current government, so they are part of the problem, because they are pushing some of their agendas and avoiding any other agenda that destabilizes the current governmental solution. So they are effectively part of the "system". What's the result? The polls show that they are losing votes and popularity.
    - soco 6y ago
      Also this is following the same trend: 5 Stelle and Podemos heading downwards, while the rightwing surviving all fine. Apparently blaming it on the foreigners is a universal and powerful differentiator. At the same time I'm sure it avoids focusing too much on changing the local mechanisms of power (just on changing the leadership), because in the end they're hoping to profit from them just the same.
      - libertine 6y ago
        Here they are blaming it on refugees, small minorities that receive government support, some criminal actors (like pedophiles), and politicians overall - things that generate anger in some people. Yet no one talks about implementing EU norms to deal with corruption, implement ISO standards for corruption in public organizations/companies, justice system reforms, ban politicians from having jobs in companies/organizations that had businesses with the state (law firms, telcos, energy, construction, etc - this is the standard path for a "successful politician" career in Portugal), etc. This is the true siphon of taxes, private deals where the state is always the underdog and has to pay rents in perpetuity adding up to thousands of millions of euros. It's not the support of minorities, or the refugees boogieman that's coming to take our jobs...

bryanrasmussen 6y ago

I noticed the guardian now wants you to register for free so as to enable personalized advertising - I guess they are no longer bound by GDPR. on edit: as people don't seem to understand why I would think the Guardian is no longer GDPR compliant, relevant section https://gdpr-info.eu/art-7-gdpr/ https://gdpr-info.eu/art-7-gdpr/ When assessing whether consent is freely given, utmost account shall be taken of whether, inter alia, the performance of a contract, including the provision of a service, is conditional on consent to the processing of personal data that is not necessary for the performance of that contract. it is obviously not necessary to get my personal details to show me the article, but they make me giving the personal details (which they will use to provided targeted ads, so sharing the data, conditional on giving access to the article)

s_dev 6y ago
When you sign up for an account your give your consent for them to store your email and identify you to send ads. That is GDPR compliant. After even giving consent -- if you decide -- you have the right to withdraw that consent.
- bryanrasmussen 6y ago
  GDPR says you cannot require someone to give up privacy to provide a service if you can provide that service without their giving up privacy. Therefore you cannot say if you give up your privacy I will show you the rest of this article, because there is nothing intrinsically requiring personally identifying the user for you to be able to display the article. Thus if they say you will have to pay with your privacy or with money to see this, they are no longer GDPR compliant. Of course a paywall would be GDPR compliant, ironically enough. https://gdpr-info.eu/art-7-gdpr/ https://gdpr-info.eu/art-7-gdpr/ When assessing whether consent is freely given, utmost account shall be taken of whether, inter alia, the performance of a contract, including the provision of a service, is conditional on consent to the processing of personal data that is not necessary for the performance of that contract. I will now go add this information to my original comment, as people do not seem to understand this matter.
DanBC 6y ago

s_dev 6y ago

Will be interesting to see if Nichola Sturgeon can get a referendum in the next few years. Can't see the Scottish sticking with the Union for more than another decade. Even previous Conservative PMs have said BJs plant to break law is absolutely shocking.

akmarinov 6y ago
Westminster will not agree to a referendum any time soon, so unlikely to happen.

Finally! It was time that the EU started to take serious actions about UK behaviour.

tonyedgecombe 6y ago

I fully expect the government to cave in over the internal market bill. They can't afford to walk away from a deal and they know it. Boris has enough of a majority that he can ignore the nutcases at the fringe of his party.

throwawaymanbot 6y ago

What has become of the UK? Its sad.

davidhbolton 6y ago

There are 800 pending cases of infringements by EU countries. It's not exactly unusual... https://ec.europa.eu/internal_market/scoreboard/performance_by_governance_tool/infringements/index_en.htm https://ec.europa.eu/internal_market/scoreboard/performance_...