I think I read it in a Jared Diamond book, but here it is in an interview with him: https://www.rand.org/content/dam/rand/pubs/papers/2009/P8054.pdf https://www

I think I read it in a Jared Diamond book, but here it is in an interview with him: https://www.rand.org/content/dam/rand/pubs/papers/2009/P8054.pdf https://www.rand.org/content/dam/rand/pubs/papers/2009/P8054... (page 5)