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I'm not a fan of this framing of industrial tech. In this reading, all of our industrial technologies seem to be part of some Grand Narrative of Progress, and t
by Karrot_Kream 6y ago
I'm not a fan of this framing of industrial tech. In this reading, all of our industrial technologies seem to be part of some Grand Narrative of Progress, and these tenets are Holy and cannot be violated.
> That those same crops would not be able to feed us if they were not also protected from pests, who will ravage entire fields if given a chance. That whole regions used to see seasons where they would lose large swaths of their produce to swarms of insects, such as boll weevils attacking cotton plants in the American South, or the phylloxera devouring grapes in the vineyards of France.
This depends on where and when you're looking at the world. The Indian subcontinent has ancient references using poisonous plants as pesticides. Pesticides are also more necessary in today's large scale industrial farming rather than smaller plots that were more common in the past.
> That before we had electricity and clean natural gas, people burned unrefined solid fuels in their homes—wood, coal, even dung (!)—to cook their food and to keep from freezing in winter.
Many cultures would use charcoal to light furnaces, which was a lot cleaner than biomass burning (the Kotatsu is a good example in Japan). Other cultures would heat bricks and bring those in to heat their homes.
> sewing clothes by hand, since store-bought ones were too expensive for most families
What? Specialization and commerce definitely existed before mechanization and industrialization. Indeed, the average person really didn't have access to a variety of clothes and often mended their own clothes, but they didn't hand sew everything. The Indian subcontinent had a long history of textile production.
> laundering clothes in a basin, scrubbing laboriously by hand, then hanging them up to dry
What? I _still_ often hand wash clothing. It really isn't that difficult. People in many parts of the world hand wash clothing to this day.
> That automobiles are a lifeline to people who live in rural areas (almost 20% in the US alone), and who were deeply isolated in the era before the car
People didn't live in remote areas most of the time. I'm fact, many countries still don't dump large amounts of energy laying roads in areas where only a few would live. This is really an American phenomenon that comes from a long dynamic of rural and urban (Senate, three fifths compromise, electoral college) power sharing.
Some of these are true. Plastics really have made certain applications, especially those hygeine related, much cleaner and cheaper. Vaccines have absolutely enabled more humans to live with fewer diseases.
But this reads like an ode to Western, namely American, development. That everything must be developed this way because there's No Alternative to Western Industrialization or otherwise abject poverty and deep inequality.
- 3gg 6y agoNot sure why this was down-voted to hell; I imagine it is because you turned the criticism political in that last part. This otherwise contains good points, and knowing that alternatives exist, as opposed to just what is out there in some particular part of the world, should also be part of the "literacy" that the blog post touts. Progress is not uni-dimensional after all.
- 082349872349872 6y agoWas it really even political? GP saying that alternatives exist[1] seems about as political to me as observing that water will wet us, as surely as fire will burn. [1] and there may be an implicit claim they may be better in some sense but there's certainly no explicit claim these alternatives are better in the GDP sense. Edit: apparently some HN'ers disagree. Not knowing the specific nature of their disagreement, may I humbly suggest that just as with nationalism: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23847087 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23847087 IMX here, a heterodox-for-HN truth is that other ways of being, beyond a unique Whiggish Consensus, exist.
- NalNezumi 6y agoProbably because it's a bad criticism? Really the only solid criticism in his comment is pointing out the charcoal usage, albeit quick Japanese wiki lookup on kotatsu show some conflicting information too. - Pesticides: counter arguments based on anecdotes without factual backing that is not refuting the core argument either. (Straw-man) - The specialization point in sewing: Straw-man. Sure specialization existed, but that wasn't even the point of the original argument. (and sewing was more to fix bought clothes; because they were too expensive to replace every-time they became unusable) - laundering clothes: again Straw-man, and also mixing up "hand washing your cloth" today compared to back in the days; it's not that hard to imagine that the condition of the cloths, the tear and wear, material of the clothes etc is pretty different from now. - People didn't live in remote area: factually incorrect (except the energy for laying roads). The political touch in the end just shows the true biased color of the criticism. The article is not perfect but those criticism are at best anecdotal counter examples, with nothing to back it up.
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