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As opposed to having the school do it? To their belief system that maybe isn’t “religion” but is still based on a certain type of faith and moral opinion. Publi

As opposed to having the school do it? To their belief system that maybe isn’t “religion” but is still based on a certain type of faith and moral opinion. Public schools are littered with teaching kids _what_ to think, not _how_ to think. I get your point and in particular I understand Germany’s caution. But what is wrong with a parent teaching their child their morality through religion? Why is having the state control this less dangerous? Why is religion bad?

Barrin92 6y ago
>Why is religion bad? Take a look around this planet and oppression done in the name of religious superstition, but for a more charitable argument, even if religion is good, children deserve to have a diverse and secular upbringing if we care about the religious freedom of the child. I'm also German, and here children are essentially mini-citizens, not some sort of property of their parents, with about as much autonomy as a mule. It's not about whether religion is good, it's about whether children have the right to be brought up, from an early age, in an impartial, dvierse and social environment, rather than being indoctrinated by their parents. the US system doesn't treat children like citizens with autonomy and rights in their own right, but leaves them to the whim of their parents, regardless of what quality of education or values they can provide. That is incomprehensible to me,and I'd argue it actually harms the freedoms and rights of children and their autonomy. It's outright medieval to me to be honest.
- logicchains 6y ago
  >Take a look around this planet and oppression done in the name of religious superstition I've sure you've heard the argument, but last century over a hundred million people were killed by atheist movements (Maoism, Stalinism), way more than were killed by any religion. And this century the most repressive governments (China, North Korea) are atheist too. Religious people are also happier, statistically speaking (https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2019/01/31/are-religious-people-happier-healthier-our-new-global-study-explores-this-question/ https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2019/01/31/are-religio...). So it can't be all bad if it's raising happier people.
  - dragandj 6y ago
    I'm not sure how a totalitarian regime is atheist. It simply replaces gods with the supreme leader, who is like a god, but worse, since the supreme leader exists. Soviet communism was a religion 100%.

Barrin92 6y ago

>Why is religion bad? Take a look around this planet and oppression done in the name of religious superstition, but for a more charitable argument, even if religion is good, children deserve to have a diverse and secular upbringing if we care about the religious freedom of the child. I'm also German, and here children are essentially mini-citizens, not some sort of property of their parents, with about as much autonomy as a mule. It's not about whether religion is good, it's about whether children have the right to be brought up, from an early age, in an impartial, dvierse and social environment, rather than being indoctrinated by their parents. the US system doesn't treat children like citizens with autonomy and rights in their own right, but leaves them to the whim of their parents, regardless of what quality of education or values they can provide. That is incomprehensible to me,and I'd argue it actually harms the freedoms and rights of children and their autonomy. It's outright medieval to me to be honest.

logicchains 6y ago
>Take a look around this planet and oppression done in the name of religious superstition I've sure you've heard the argument, but last century over a hundred million people were killed by atheist movements (Maoism, Stalinism), way more than were killed by any religion. And this century the most repressive governments (China, North Korea) are atheist too. Religious people are also happier, statistically speaking (https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2019/01/31/are-religious-people-happier-healthier-our-new-global-study-explores-this-question/ https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2019/01/31/are-religio...). So it can't be all bad if it's raising happier people.
- dragandj 6y ago
  I'm not sure how a totalitarian regime is atheist. It simply replaces gods with the supreme leader, who is like a god, but worse, since the supreme leader exists. Soviet communism was a religion 100%.