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I don't think so. Apple puts it's profits first, users second and developers somewhere down the line. I've always found it funny how otherwise liberal/non-autho

I don't think so. Apple puts it's profits first, users second and developers somewhere down the line. I've always found it funny how otherwise liberal/non-authoritarian people to go great lengths to justify Apple's "Father Knows Best" mentality.

nerdtastic5 16y ago
I guess I assumed since we're talking public companies here that everyone knows that profits come first. Since "profits come first" for Google, MS, Nokia, Samsung, and everyone else, its not really saying much.
- chc 16y ago
  Not true, at least not in a useful sense (that is, without semantic games like "Putting users first is really putting profits first because it makes them money"). Google often turns down options that would squeeze out a little more money at the expense of its users. For example, Google slapped content farms for being worthless even though they seem to be pretty good money-makers.
  - kgermino 16y ago
    But, while trying to avoid the semantics arguement, their profits depend on their advertising, which depends on search qualtity. By keeping search qualtity high they are passing over small, short-term profits for long-term ones. Yes the main idea is keeping users happy somthey stick around, but they aren't doing it because they love their users theyre doing it to make a better business.
hugh3 16y ago
The point is that Apple's best interests are served by putting the consumers' interests before the developers'. For some other companies it might be the other way around, but Apple has no lack of people willing to be developers. It can easily afford to alienate some of 'em. But consumers? There's a lot of people with iOS devices, but are they buying apps? If the top fifty apps on the app store are crap, and people can't find the good apps, they'll buy fewer apps, and that bites into Apple's revenues, unlike alienating a few spam-inclined developers, which doesn't.
- JoeAltmaier 16y ago
  Really? Then why is it so hard to hire OSX developers that can code their way out of a paper bag?
  - hugh3 16y ago
    You don't code your way out of a paper bag, you just declare a subclass of NSPaperBag and assign it an outlet.

nerdtastic5 16y ago

I guess I assumed since we're talking public companies here that everyone knows that profits come first. Since "profits come first" for Google, MS, Nokia, Samsung, and everyone else, its not really saying much.

chc 16y ago
Not true, at least not in a useful sense (that is, without semantic games like "Putting users first is really putting profits first because it makes them money"). Google often turns down options that would squeeze out a little more money at the expense of its users. For example, Google slapped content farms for being worthless even though they seem to be pretty good money-makers.
- kgermino 16y ago
  But, while trying to avoid the semantics arguement, their profits depend on their advertising, which depends on search qualtity. By keeping search qualtity high they are passing over small, short-term profits for long-term ones. Yes the main idea is keeping users happy somthey stick around, but they aren't doing it because they love their users theyre doing it to make a better business.

hugh3 16y ago

The point is that Apple's best interests are served by putting the consumers' interests before the developers'. For some other companies it might be the other way around, but Apple has no lack of people willing to be developers. It can easily afford to alienate some of 'em. But consumers? There's a lot of people with iOS devices, but are they buying apps? If the top fifty apps on the app store are crap, and people can't find the good apps, they'll buy fewer apps, and that bites into Apple's revenues, unlike alienating a few spam-inclined developers, which doesn't.

JoeAltmaier 16y ago
Really? Then why is it so hard to hire OSX developers that can code their way out of a paper bag?
- hugh3 16y ago
  You don't code your way out of a paper bag, you just declare a subclass of NSPaperBag and assign it an outlet.