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Ah, the ole "idiot user" rhetoric, imprisoned for their own sake. Say I call the Apple support center, ask for the code, and they warn me in no uncertain terms

by yholio 6y ago

Ah, the ole "idiot user" rhetoric, imprisoned for their own sake. Say I call the Apple support center, ask for the code, and they warn me in no uncertain terms that I'm voiding my warranty and would not be eligibile for continued support. How can this prevent any mentally sane person from trusting Apple made the correct decisions and not root their device?

dkonofalski 6y ago
No, not "idiot user". No one is imprisoned. In the same way that people choose to be part of organizations and groups with rules and limits to what can be done, people choose to use devices that are slightly limited in exchange for reliability and security. I don't want Apple waste time and resources to need to support the people that call the call center to ask for this supposed code and most people using their devices don't either. If they did, wouldn't the market make that movement?
- yholio 6y ago
  No, it wouldn't, see the terminal unlock code for contract phones discussed below. If your opinion is that the free market is all correcting and magical and that laws and regulations should never intervene in private consumer choices, I have a failed state I can introduce you to, not to mention a salmonela infested burrito.
  - dkonofalski 6y ago
    Unlocking phones isn't in the same scope at all. Locking a phone in the first place was done because carriers were subsidizing phones so they needed to ensure they stayed on their networks. An "unlock code" for root access to a phone is a giant security flaw and a potential vector even for anyone that doesn't want the functionality or care to root their phone. The fact that the option could exist for someone to bypass security is, in and of itself, a security risk. The specific reasons I buy iPhones for family and staff is because I know they can't do those things, even if they wanted to. I want them to have smartphones so they can run specific apps or connect to our servers but I don't want even the possibility of those devices being compromised. You call it a prison. I call it a fortress.

by yholio 6y ago

dkonofalski 6y ago

No, not "idiot user". No one is imprisoned. In the same way that people choose to be part of organizations and groups with rules and limits to what can be done, people choose to use devices that are slightly limited in exchange for reliability and security. I don't want Apple waste time and resources to need to support the people that call the call center to ask for this supposed code and most people using their devices don't either. If they did, wouldn't the market make that movement?

yholio 6y ago
No, it wouldn't, see the terminal unlock code for contract phones discussed below. If your opinion is that the free market is all correcting and magical and that laws and regulations should never intervene in private consumer choices, I have a failed state I can introduce you to, not to mention a salmonela infested burrito.
- dkonofalski 6y ago
  Unlocking phones isn't in the same scope at all. Locking a phone in the first place was done because carriers were subsidizing phones so they needed to ensure they stayed on their networks. An "unlock code" for root access to a phone is a giant security flaw and a potential vector even for anyone that doesn't want the functionality or care to root their phone. The fact that the option could exist for someone to bypass security is, in and of itself, a security risk. The specific reasons I buy iPhones for family and staff is because I know they can't do those things, even if they wanted to. I want them to have smartphones so they can run specific apps or connect to our servers but I don't want even the possibility of those devices being compromised. You call it a prison. I call it a fortress.