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You're completely ignoring the fact that a large part of the user base of these products explicitly buys these products because they don't have these options. W

You're completely ignoring the fact that a large part of the user base of these products explicitly buys these products because they don't have these options. Windows attempted to add UAC control to the OS so that people wouldn't install random files from websites without being notified of the changes being made and browsers tried to add systems where users had to go into the options and turn off protections in Windows Defender to be able to install. What was the end result? These websites just started offering tutorials that showed users how to turn off those protections and bypass them completely. If you give people a way to bypass security, they'll do it in order to get to what they think they want. The problem is that most people don't understand the unintended consequences of those actions. That's the entire reason why people trust Apple to make those decisions on their behalf.

yholio 6y ago
Ah, the ole "idiot user" rhetoric, imprisoned for their own sake. Say I call the Apple support center, ask for the code, and they warn me in no uncertain terms that I'm voiding my warranty and would not be eligibile for continued support. How can this prevent any mentally sane person from trusting Apple made the correct decisions and not root their device?
- dkonofalski 6y ago
  No, not "idiot user". No one is imprisoned. In the same way that people choose to be part of organizations and groups with rules and limits to what can be done, people choose to use devices that are slightly limited in exchange for reliability and security. I don't want Apple waste time and resources to need to support the people that call the call center to ask for this supposed code and most people using their devices don't either. If they did, wouldn't the market make that movement?
  - yholio 6y ago
    No, it wouldn't, see the terminal unlock code for contract phones discussed below. If your opinion is that the free market is all correcting and magical and that laws and regulations should never intervene in private consumer choices, I have a failed state I can introduce you to, not to mention a salmonela infested burrito.
    - dkonofalski 6y ago
      Unlocking phones isn't in the same scope at all. Locking a phone in the first place was done because carriers were subsidizing phones so they needed to ensure they stayed on their networks. An "unlock code" for root access to a phone is a giant security flaw and a potential vector even for anyone that doesn't want the functionality or care to root their phone. The fact that the option could exist for someone to bypass security is, in and of itself, a security risk. The specific reasons I buy iPhones for family and staff is because I know they can't do those things, even if they wanted to. I want them to have smartphones so they can run specific apps or connect to our servers but I don't want even the possibility of those devices being compromised. You call it a prison. I call it a fortress.

yholio 6y ago

Ah, the ole "idiot user" rhetoric, imprisoned for their own sake. Say I call the Apple support center, ask for the code, and they warn me in no uncertain terms that I'm voiding my warranty and would not be eligibile for continued support. How can this prevent any mentally sane person from trusting Apple made the correct decisions and not root their device?

dkonofalski 6y ago
No, not "idiot user". No one is imprisoned. In the same way that people choose to be part of organizations and groups with rules and limits to what can be done, people choose to use devices that are slightly limited in exchange for reliability and security. I don't want Apple waste time and resources to need to support the people that call the call center to ask for this supposed code and most people using their devices don't either. If they did, wouldn't the market make that movement?
- yholio 6y ago
  No, it wouldn't, see the terminal unlock code for contract phones discussed below. If your opinion is that the free market is all correcting and magical and that laws and regulations should never intervene in private consumer choices, I have a failed state I can introduce you to, not to mention a salmonela infested burrito.
  - dkonofalski 6y ago
    Unlocking phones isn't in the same scope at all. Locking a phone in the first place was done because carriers were subsidizing phones so they needed to ensure they stayed on their networks. An "unlock code" for root access to a phone is a giant security flaw and a potential vector even for anyone that doesn't want the functionality or care to root their phone. The fact that the option could exist for someone to bypass security is, in and of itself, a security risk. The specific reasons I buy iPhones for family and staff is because I know they can't do those things, even if they wanted to. I want them to have smartphones so they can run specific apps or connect to our servers but I don't want even the possibility of those devices being compromised. You call it a prison. I call it a fortress.