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There was never a lockdown. People were never restricted from leaving their houses or visiting family. Public, enclosed spaces were restricted, but nobody was e

There was never a lockdown. People were never restricted from leaving their houses or visiting family. Public, enclosed spaces were restricted, but nobody was ever locked inside. There have been attempts at imposing quarantines on interstate travelers but it's been almost entirely voluntary in practice. (this is in contrast with western Europe, where there were and are actual lockdowns that made it illegal to leave home without a permit, etc) edit: NYC did impose a curfew for a few days, but not as a coronavirus measure

UncleOxidant 6y ago
Or Wuhan where they actually welded people into their apartments.
vorpalhex 6y ago
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/25/nyregion/coronavirus-orthodox-jewish-communities.html https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/25/nyregion/coronavirus-orth... https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/08/us/new-york-reopening-coronavirus/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/08/us/new-york-reopening-coronav... (June 2020) I could keep listing stories that clearly say "lockdown". You seem to have a different definition of that word than any other English speaker, including the NYTimes and CNN. By the way, this included fines: https://abc7ny.com/nyc-social-distancing-fines-coronavirus-news/6062199/ https://abc7ny.com/nyc-social-distancing-fines-coronavirus-n... No, NYC did not weld anyone inside their homes. The residents were absolutely under lockdown.
- tunesmith 6y ago
  I dunno, you can't really have it both ways. Either a lockdown is something stricter than how people would behave in the presence of COVID, or it's not. If the argument is that the lockdown itself has a societal cost, then it's the strict version. If you go by the headlines that refer to lockdowns in the colloquial sense describe the very loose policies of "walk around, order food, wear a mask, sit outside, social distancing, but hey, indoor dining is closed so it's a lockdown", then most if not all of that cost is what would be happening anyway due to human behavior. This is all really dumb. We need to societally backspace and come up with a couple of popular words that have clearer meanings for this stuff. Lockdown has close to zero semantic meaning. In my original parent comment, I was more thinking of strict lockdowns. The type where - given sufficient test capacity and responsible contact tracing - a region could limit its borders and strictly lock down for four weeks, and obliterate COVID to the point they could test and trace - and dine indoors.

UncleOxidant 6y ago

Or Wuhan where they actually welded people into their apartments.

vorpalhex 6y ago

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/25/nyregion/coronavirus-orthodox-jewish-communities.html https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/25/nyregion/coronavirus-orth... https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/08/us/new-york-reopening-coronavirus/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/08/us/new-york-reopening-coronav... (June 2020) I could keep listing stories that clearly say "lockdown". You seem to have a different definition of that word than any other English speaker, including the NYTimes and CNN. By the way, this included fines: https://abc7ny.com/nyc-social-distancing-fines-coronavirus-news/6062199/ https://abc7ny.com/nyc-social-distancing-fines-coronavirus-n... No, NYC did not weld anyone inside their homes. The residents were absolutely under lockdown.

tunesmith 6y ago
I dunno, you can't really have it both ways. Either a lockdown is something stricter than how people would behave in the presence of COVID, or it's not. If the argument is that the lockdown itself has a societal cost, then it's the strict version. If you go by the headlines that refer to lockdowns in the colloquial sense describe the very loose policies of "walk around, order food, wear a mask, sit outside, social distancing, but hey, indoor dining is closed so it's a lockdown", then most if not all of that cost is what would be happening anyway due to human behavior. This is all really dumb. We need to societally backspace and come up with a couple of popular words that have clearer meanings for this stuff. Lockdown has close to zero semantic meaning. In my original parent comment, I was more thinking of strict lockdowns. The type where - given sufficient test capacity and responsible contact tracing - a region could limit its borders and strictly lock down for four weeks, and obliterate COVID to the point they could test and trace - and dine indoors.