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The comparatively higher death rate was mainly elderly in care homes. Some are simply OK with sacrificing the elderly to avoid restrictions on the lives of youn

The comparatively higher death rate was mainly elderly in care homes. Some are simply OK with sacrificing the elderly to avoid restrictions on the lives of younger generations. Others would hold that, yes, failing to protect care homes was a screwup on the part of the Swedish authorities, but the avoiding of a lockdown still seems sound.

null_object 6y ago
This is the line that the Swedish authorities repeat at every possible opportunity: effectively victim-blaming the elderly, and implying that “if only all those old people hadn’t died, we’d have been fine”. But in fact deaths are higher across all age groups, compared to other comparable countries.
- Mediterraneo10 6y ago
  Again, some people are prepared to sacrifice both some portion of elderly in care homes, and some (much smaller even in Sweden) amount of other people across younger generations. As a top-rated comment points out, one of the aims with which a broad segment of the public sympathizes is “flattening the curve“, not trying to prevent any and all deaths whatsoever at any cost.
twblalock 6y ago
> The comparatively higher death rate was mainly elderly in care homes. The same was true in New York, which locked down.
- finder83 6y ago
  New York also sent the elderly with covid back into their nursing/care homes. So New York probably isn't the best example, since they handled the elderly situation so poorly
  - Loughla 6y ago
    This is exactly why I have zero faith in any substantive knowledge coming from this pandemic until, what, a hundred years afterward? So many variables that change the narrative if ignored. This is going to be like everything else (at least in the US). People will seek out sources that confirm their already established belief. It's hard being positive about, well, anything right now. Is this depression, or is this just a realistic view of humanity?
    - finder83 6y ago
      Unfortunately I think that's the current state of things. It takes a lot of work to get any semblance of the truth, and even then it's extremely localized. IMHO, C19 was WAY more politicized than it should have been, which caused a lot of the misinformation. For me to be less despaired, I give up on things like national news (or severely limit it), and hang around positive people, particularly ones doing good things in the community. There are still good people out there doing great things. I don't think that the media portrayal of many things is a realistic view of reality in most places.
- bsder 6y ago
  The problem with quoting New York is that New York thought they had Case #1 on March 1 when backmodeling suggests that they were already at Case #10,000. And then they went 3 more weeks before they actually locked down. So, New York had a WAY higher number of infected per capita than pretty much anywhere other than the early hotspots.

null_object 6y ago

This is the line that the Swedish authorities repeat at every possible opportunity: effectively victim-blaming the elderly, and implying that “if only all those old people hadn’t died, we’d have been fine”. But in fact deaths are higher across all age groups, compared to other comparable countries.

Mediterraneo10 6y ago
Again, some people are prepared to sacrifice both some portion of elderly in care homes, and some (much smaller even in Sweden) amount of other people across younger generations. As a top-rated comment points out, one of the aims with which a broad segment of the public sympathizes is “flattening the curve“, not trying to prevent any and all deaths whatsoever at any cost.

twblalock 6y ago

> The comparatively higher death rate was mainly elderly in care homes. The same was true in New York, which locked down.

finder83 6y ago
New York also sent the elderly with covid back into their nursing/care homes. So New York probably isn't the best example, since they handled the elderly situation so poorly
- Loughla 6y ago
  This is exactly why I have zero faith in any substantive knowledge coming from this pandemic until, what, a hundred years afterward? So many variables that change the narrative if ignored. This is going to be like everything else (at least in the US). People will seek out sources that confirm their already established belief. It's hard being positive about, well, anything right now. Is this depression, or is this just a realistic view of humanity?
  - finder83 6y ago
    Unfortunately I think that's the current state of things. It takes a lot of work to get any semblance of the truth, and even then it's extremely localized. IMHO, C19 was WAY more politicized than it should have been, which caused a lot of the misinformation. For me to be less despaired, I give up on things like national news (or severely limit it), and hang around positive people, particularly ones doing good things in the community. There are still good people out there doing great things. I don't think that the media portrayal of many things is a realistic view of reality in most places.
bsder 6y ago
The problem with quoting New York is that New York thought they had Case #1 on March 1 when backmodeling suggests that they were already at Case #10,000. And then they went 3 more weeks before they actually locked down. So, New York had a WAY higher number of infected per capita than pretty much anywhere other than the early hotspots.