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Given the context no, the material presented is clearly made in jest and the point made remains the same. This could've easily been say "P-Diddy's Certificate

by Maci 15y ago

Given the context no, the material presented is clearly made in jest and the point made remains the same. This could've easily been say "P-Diddy's Certificate and Ho Emporium", "certificats pour les snobs par francois" or "Jenkins Tea, Crumpets and Certs". If it wasn't for stereotyping we'd loose a valuable source of comedy all over the world.

jessedhillon 15y ago
> This could've easily been say "P-Diddy's Certificate and Ho Emporium", "certificats pour les snobs par francois" or "Jenkins Tea, Crumpets and Certs". The assumption here is that perpetuating English and French stereotypes is morally equivalent to doing the same to black American. Apart from the fact that being known for drinking tea and eating biscuits is not nearly as embarrassing or damaging as being thought of as a pimp or ho, there's another problem here: every non-white person can hold this assumption about French and English people and the French and English will not have a problem getting around in society. The same is not true with your P-Diddy example, if believed by every non-black person. > If it wasn't for stereotyping we'd loose a valuable source of comedy all over the world. This is tantamount to saying "I have a right to perpetuate racially-based stereotypes, despite any claimed or real negative effect they have, because my ability to be funny depends on it."
- Maci 15y ago
  > The assumption here is that perpetuating English and French stereotypes is morally equivalent to doing the same to black American. But it is, that is the essence of a stereotype. If we take out the ethnicity factor and go into personalities your argument is the same as saying that it is embarrassing and damaging for Librarians to be labelled as boring and strict, for Managers to be labelled as conniving bastards and idiots, for Artists to be labelled as always high on drugs, for Nerds to be labelled as outcasts and acne ridden. I consider your argument flawed in that stereotyping will always have an element of "there's some truth in your fiction and some fiction in your truth". Fiction and Fact are two completely different things. It's a good thing many people appreciate fact. > This is tantamount to saying "I have a right to perpetuate racially-based stereotypes, despite any claimed or real negative effect they have, because my ability to be funny depends on it." Not just my ability but also that of the Film Industry, TV Productions, Stage Plays, Books, Music, which all continue to use any form of stereotyping for good or bad.
  - jessedhillon 15y ago
    There are too many errors here to deal with. Just the fact that you think being an Arab is analogous to being a librarian for these purposes raises a number of questions in any reasonable reader's mind. Perhaps you think that some people are made librarians from birth and have no choice about the matter. Your final statement is not even a rebuttal, it's merely an appeal to popularity.
    - Maci 15y ago
      > Just the fact that you think being an Arab is analogous to being a librarian for these purposes raises a number of questions in any reasonable reader's mind. Pretty much is man, it's just a label. That's all it is regardless of race, sex, color, religion, profession. For better or for worse. The root of the problem is people clinging to this fiction as fact. Time and understanding will fix that. Given my origin and the situations that come with it at times this philosophy is what works out best for me and those who are willing to listen, if not it's high time to find a more receptive audience. Foremost we're all individuals. And you know if you can't laugh at yourself... :) > Perhaps you think that some people are made librarians from birth and have no choice about the matter. I think that given certain genetic dispositions and the environment where a child grows up that is quite possible. > Your final statement is not even a rebuttal, it's merely an appeal to popularity. Turn on any source of information, labels on everyone everywhere. All neatly grouped and organised. Not pandering to popularity, Just stating fact.
      - dreyfiz 15y ago
        This is making less and less sense. The insight that labels are not the same thing as the thing, itself is a pretty thin one when you water it down like that. You’re taking a truth and turning it into a nihilistic premise that no label is meaningful, just because it’s a label. If that’s the case, programming must be a hellish experience for you, since it mostly consists of labeling things well.
        Maci 15y ago

by Maci 15y ago

jessedhillon 15y ago

> This could've easily been say "P-Diddy's Certificate and Ho Emporium", "certificats pour les snobs par francois" or "Jenkins Tea, Crumpets and Certs". The assumption here is that perpetuating English and French stereotypes is morally equivalent to doing the same to black American. Apart from the fact that being known for drinking tea and eating biscuits is not nearly as embarrassing or damaging as being thought of as a pimp or ho, there's another problem here: every non-white person can hold this assumption about French and English people and the French and English will not have a problem getting around in society. The same is not true with your P-Diddy example, if believed by every non-black person. > If it wasn't for stereotyping we'd loose a valuable source of comedy all over the world. This is tantamount to saying "I have a right to perpetuate racially-based stereotypes, despite any claimed or real negative effect they have, because my ability to be funny depends on it."

Maci 15y ago
> The assumption here is that perpetuating English and French stereotypes is morally equivalent to doing the same to black American. But it is, that is the essence of a stereotype. If we take out the ethnicity factor and go into personalities your argument is the same as saying that it is embarrassing and damaging for Librarians to be labelled as boring and strict, for Managers to be labelled as conniving bastards and idiots, for Artists to be labelled as always high on drugs, for Nerds to be labelled as outcasts and acne ridden. I consider your argument flawed in that stereotyping will always have an element of "there's some truth in your fiction and some fiction in your truth". Fiction and Fact are two completely different things. It's a good thing many people appreciate fact. > This is tantamount to saying "I have a right to perpetuate racially-based stereotypes, despite any claimed or real negative effect they have, because my ability to be funny depends on it." Not just my ability but also that of the Film Industry, TV Productions, Stage Plays, Books, Music, which all continue to use any form of stereotyping for good or bad.
- jessedhillon 15y ago
  There are too many errors here to deal with. Just the fact that you think being an Arab is analogous to being a librarian for these purposes raises a number of questions in any reasonable reader's mind. Perhaps you think that some people are made librarians from birth and have no choice about the matter. Your final statement is not even a rebuttal, it's merely an appeal to popularity.
  - Maci 15y ago
    > Just the fact that you think being an Arab is analogous to being a librarian for these purposes raises a number of questions in any reasonable reader's mind. Pretty much is man, it's just a label. That's all it is regardless of race, sex, color, religion, profession. For better or for worse. The root of the problem is people clinging to this fiction as fact. Time and understanding will fix that. Given my origin and the situations that come with it at times this philosophy is what works out best for me and those who are willing to listen, if not it's high time to find a more receptive audience. Foremost we're all individuals. And you know if you can't laugh at yourself... :) > Perhaps you think that some people are made librarians from birth and have no choice about the matter. I think that given certain genetic dispositions and the environment where a child grows up that is quite possible. > Your final statement is not even a rebuttal, it's merely an appeal to popularity. Turn on any source of information, labels on everyone everywhere. All neatly grouped and organised. Not pandering to popularity, Just stating fact.
    - dreyfiz 15y ago
      This is making less and less sense. The insight that labels are not the same thing as the thing, itself is a pretty thin one when you water it down like that. You’re taking a truth and turning it into a nihilistic premise that no label is meaningful, just because it’s a label. If that’s the case, programming must be a hellish experience for you, since it mostly consists of labeling things well.
      - Maci 15y ago