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Sounds to me like the "temporary" visa system has been greatly abused by employers looking for cheap labor and needs to be fixed so that people who wish to make

Sounds to me like the "temporary" visa system has been greatly abused by employers looking for cheap labor and needs to be fixed so that people who wish to make life in the U.S. aren't left in limbo for so long.

renewiltord 6y ago
Sure, that's your stance and I won't attempt to change your mind. I just needed to clarify that you are requesting taking actions that will result in the deportation of a large number of immigrants currently residing in the US. It was important to me that that caveat was applied to > The mainstream "anti-immigration" position is about curtailing future immigration, rather than removing current immigrants. So that it is clear that removing current immigrants resident in the US under dual-intent visas is part of the mainstream position.
- lliamander 6y ago
  > I just needed to clarify that you are requesting taking actions that will result in the deportation of a large number of immigrants currently residing in the US. Please do not mind read. You are not very good at it. Temporary work visas exist to help cover shortages of labor in a host country, which will naturally vary over time. If someone is in the US on a temporary visa, then that implies that they should only be in the US on that visa for a relatively short time, and that at the end of that time they should either be granted a more permanent status or they should return home. To continue to extend such visas indefinitely, such that visa holder builds a life in the US, all the while still legally in the position that they could be forced to return at any time is cruel and unjust. If that is happening to a large (or small) number of Indians presently in the US, I think it would be entirely reasonable to grant special consideration for them - as part of an overall immigration reform that would avoid situations in the future.
  - renewiltord2 6y ago
    Apologies for having to respond from here. I am currently rate limited. Made the new account so I could apologize for guessing at motivations. I believe mainstream immigration restrictions actually do not share your view on dual intent visas. Not many people support the position you have on Indian/Chinese who are present in America for a long time on their dual-intent visas. Consider my comments as being edited to not reference you but reference mainstream anti-immigration positions - none of which currently state any GC reforms that permit existing Indian/Chinese backlogs to be grandfathered in.
    - lliamander 6y ago
      That you made this effort to apologize is quite commendable, thank you. And I may be mistaken on where the mainstream anti-immigration position is, though I do think that many/most people who are in favor of reducing immigration would also be amenable to some sort of a deal if it were on the table.

renewiltord 6y ago

Sure, that's your stance and I won't attempt to change your mind. I just needed to clarify that you are requesting taking actions that will result in the deportation of a large number of immigrants currently residing in the US. It was important to me that that caveat was applied to > The mainstream "anti-immigration" position is about curtailing future immigration, rather than removing current immigrants. So that it is clear that removing current immigrants resident in the US under dual-intent visas is part of the mainstream position.

lliamander 6y ago
> I just needed to clarify that you are requesting taking actions that will result in the deportation of a large number of immigrants currently residing in the US. Please do not mind read. You are not very good at it. Temporary work visas exist to help cover shortages of labor in a host country, which will naturally vary over time. If someone is in the US on a temporary visa, then that implies that they should only be in the US on that visa for a relatively short time, and that at the end of that time they should either be granted a more permanent status or they should return home. To continue to extend such visas indefinitely, such that visa holder builds a life in the US, all the while still legally in the position that they could be forced to return at any time is cruel and unjust. If that is happening to a large (or small) number of Indians presently in the US, I think it would be entirely reasonable to grant special consideration for them - as part of an overall immigration reform that would avoid situations in the future.
- renewiltord2 6y ago
  Apologies for having to respond from here. I am currently rate limited. Made the new account so I could apologize for guessing at motivations. I believe mainstream immigration restrictions actually do not share your view on dual intent visas. Not many people support the position you have on Indian/Chinese who are present in America for a long time on their dual-intent visas. Consider my comments as being edited to not reference you but reference mainstream anti-immigration positions - none of which currently state any GC reforms that permit existing Indian/Chinese backlogs to be grandfathered in.
  - lliamander 6y ago
    That you made this effort to apologize is quite commendable, thank you. And I may be mistaken on where the mainstream anti-immigration position is, though I do think that many/most people who are in favor of reducing immigration would also be amenable to some sort of a deal if it were on the table.