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> The solution (...) [i]s to fix the cultural acceptance of sexually predatory behavior toward women No, sorry, you're taking the wrong angle here. There's no

> The solution (...) [i]s to fix the cultural acceptance of sexually predatory behavior toward women No, sorry, you're taking the wrong angle here. There's no wide ranging cultural acceptance of sexually predatory behavior, that's why they're called sexual predators and not sex-positive mentors. And they're attracted like flies to shit to positions of power in these kind of institutions. Please do shelter the victims if you can, and warn them all they're setting themselves up for this kind of abuse. And yeah, jail the bastards who do act on it, of course. I might as well say that if that's not clear already. But there is a legion behind the ones that get caught vying for those spots for the very same reasons.

falcolas 6y ago
> There's no wide ranging cultural acceptance of sexually predatory behavior Were that the case, there wouldn't be these kinds of cases where entire swaths of predators are being shielded (or ignored). It may not be openly discussed or acknowledged, but as they say, actions speak louder than words. And, fwiw, there are female sexual predators as well; best to not ignore them.
- Chris2048 6y ago
  > actions speak louder than words that doesn't really follow when those actions are explicitly hidden, or denied. If it was generally accepted, why would they need to hide? The case being made here is one of indifference, and not just of sexual abuse, but any negative effects that don't directly benefit Varsity.
  - falcolas 6y ago
    The action I'm referring to here is the indifference. The hiding, the denial. Using the phrase "boys will be boys". That's the action that's speaking out here. And it's a problem that's broader than Varsity.
    - Chris2048 6y ago
      But the indifference is on Varsities part, specifically; and it seems it was in a position to threaten anyone who knew about what it was hiding. Who used the phrase "boys will be boys" in this situation?
  - mcguire 6y ago
    You don't consider indifference to be acceptance?
    - Chris2048 6y ago
      Maybe, but on Varsities part. OP talked about "wide ranging cultural acceptance" which I consider "societal". A monopolist hiding behaviour from society doesn't sound like societal acceptance, it sounds like the opposite: hiding behaviour it knew isn't accepted.
seretogis 6y ago
>There's no wide ranging cultural acceptance of sexually predatory behavior If that's true, why do both major candidates for president in the US have histories of sexually predatory behavior which gets very little press and hasn't resulted in them being removed from their respective offices? It is very much so culturally accepted, particularly in the US. Look at male protagonists' behavior toward women in popular film and TV, like the big bang theory, blade runner, etc. Maybe that cultural acceptance is in the process of changing, but there are loud voices speaking up against that change as well.
- feoren 6y ago
  Because one of those candidates' "history of sexually predatory behavior" is based on extremely tenuous evidence, contradicted by other witnesses, and we know of other attempts to fake such evidence against him and other high-profile Democrats, and the other candidate is supported by 50 to 60 million Americans who support rape. So maybe I'm making your point for you.
starkred 6y ago
> There's no wide ranging cultural acceptance of sexually predatory behavior There is as long as the solution is "keep women away from sexual predators" instead of "keep sexual predators away from women". Keeping girls away from competitive sports is yet another example of "boys will be boys".
- blackbear_ 6y ago
  Nice word play, but what is a practical, pragmatic solution to achieve that?
  - starkred 6y ago
    Teach your damn boys for once.
  - mcguire 6y ago
    Actually investigate and prosecute reports rather than saying, "well, yeah, you shouldn't have been there." Make it economically infeasible for companies like Varsity and their related organizations to ignore. And yes, you will get a lot of push back, using libertarian, freedom-related arguments.
- bena 6y ago
  The issue is you cannot tell me what a sexual predator looks like. Or, more disturbingly, you can. Because they look like you, they look like me, they look like everyone. So a policy of "keep sexual predators away from children" just cannot work. That's a game you have to win every time. They just have to win once. One mistake and you've just allowed a predator access to children. And it's not like they'll stop. And note, I say children, not women, because we aren't talking about the abuse of adults, we're talking about people sexually preying on children. So I'm sorry. "Just stop criminals from committing crime" is a intellectually bankrupt argument. The issue is that the problem is vast and multifaceted. We have to balance safety with allowing these children access to these things. And on some level, these children will have to become proactive members of their own safety. Whether we want them to be or not, they will have to be responsible to some degree. And, no, it shouldn't be necessary. But we ultimately have to deal with the world as it is, not as it ought to be.
lefrenchy 6y ago
> Please do shelter the victims if you can, and warn them all they're setting themselves up for this kind of abuse. Are you serious? You want to make victims feel responsible for being assaulted and taken advantage of? They must already feel an incredible sense of shame and guilt, the answer is absolutely not to tell them they are “setting themselves up” by pursuing their interests or passions..
- jtbayly 6y ago
  No. We want to prevent them from becoming victims in the first place. Hence the word "warn" as opposed to the phrase "you had it coming."
  - lefrenchy 6y ago
    > warn them all they're setting themselves up for this kind of abuse "Setting themselves up for this kind of abuse" has a very similar ring to "you had it coming". People can be abused in so many different environments (sports, school, church, politics). We can't prevent them from participating in any of these things, and tell them they're "setting themselves up" if they do. That's absurd and will never serve to actually fix the root cause of the problem. There are a host of cultural issues (over-sexualization, hyper masculinity, etc...) that contribute to the pervasiveness of abuse, and without addressing those we will never solve anything. We can also educate our children (or people more generally) on what is an is not acceptable behavior from people in those positions of power doing the abuse.

falcolas 6y ago

> There's no wide ranging cultural acceptance of sexually predatory behavior Were that the case, there wouldn't be these kinds of cases where entire swaths of predators are being shielded (or ignored). It may not be openly discussed or acknowledged, but as they say, actions speak louder than words. And, fwiw, there are female sexual predators as well; best to not ignore them.

Chris2048 6y ago
> actions speak louder than words that doesn't really follow when those actions are explicitly hidden, or denied. If it was generally accepted, why would they need to hide? The case being made here is one of indifference, and not just of sexual abuse, but any negative effects that don't directly benefit Varsity.
- falcolas 6y ago
  The action I'm referring to here is the indifference. The hiding, the denial. Using the phrase "boys will be boys". That's the action that's speaking out here. And it's a problem that's broader than Varsity.
  - Chris2048 6y ago
    But the indifference is on Varsities part, specifically; and it seems it was in a position to threaten anyone who knew about what it was hiding. Who used the phrase "boys will be boys" in this situation?
- mcguire 6y ago
  You don't consider indifference to be acceptance?
  - Chris2048 6y ago
    Maybe, but on Varsities part. OP talked about "wide ranging cultural acceptance" which I consider "societal". A monopolist hiding behaviour from society doesn't sound like societal acceptance, it sounds like the opposite: hiding behaviour it knew isn't accepted.

seretogis 6y ago

>There's no wide ranging cultural acceptance of sexually predatory behavior If that's true, why do both major candidates for president in the US have histories of sexually predatory behavior which gets very little press and hasn't resulted in them being removed from their respective offices? It is very much so culturally accepted, particularly in the US. Look at male protagonists' behavior toward women in popular film and TV, like the big bang theory, blade runner, etc. Maybe that cultural acceptance is in the process of changing, but there are loud voices speaking up against that change as well.

feoren 6y ago
Because one of those candidates' "history of sexually predatory behavior" is based on extremely tenuous evidence, contradicted by other witnesses, and we know of other attempts to fake such evidence against him and other high-profile Democrats, and the other candidate is supported by 50 to 60 million Americans who support rape. So maybe I'm making your point for you.

starkred 6y ago

> There's no wide ranging cultural acceptance of sexually predatory behavior There is as long as the solution is "keep women away from sexual predators" instead of "keep sexual predators away from women". Keeping girls away from competitive sports is yet another example of "boys will be boys".

blackbear_ 6y ago
Nice word play, but what is a practical, pragmatic solution to achieve that?
- starkred 6y ago
  Teach your damn boys for once.
- mcguire 6y ago
  Actually investigate and prosecute reports rather than saying, "well, yeah, you shouldn't have been there." Make it economically infeasible for companies like Varsity and their related organizations to ignore. And yes, you will get a lot of push back, using libertarian, freedom-related arguments.
bena 6y ago
The issue is you cannot tell me what a sexual predator looks like. Or, more disturbingly, you can. Because they look like you, they look like me, they look like everyone. So a policy of "keep sexual predators away from children" just cannot work. That's a game you have to win every time. They just have to win once. One mistake and you've just allowed a predator access to children. And it's not like they'll stop. And note, I say children, not women, because we aren't talking about the abuse of adults, we're talking about people sexually preying on children. So I'm sorry. "Just stop criminals from committing crime" is a intellectually bankrupt argument. The issue is that the problem is vast and multifaceted. We have to balance safety with allowing these children access to these things. And on some level, these children will have to become proactive members of their own safety. Whether we want them to be or not, they will have to be responsible to some degree. And, no, it shouldn't be necessary. But we ultimately have to deal with the world as it is, not as it ought to be.

lefrenchy 6y ago

> Please do shelter the victims if you can, and warn them all they're setting themselves up for this kind of abuse. Are you serious? You want to make victims feel responsible for being assaulted and taken advantage of? They must already feel an incredible sense of shame and guilt, the answer is absolutely not to tell them they are “setting themselves up” by pursuing their interests or passions..

jtbayly 6y ago
No. We want to prevent them from becoming victims in the first place. Hence the word "warn" as opposed to the phrase "you had it coming."
- lefrenchy 6y ago
  > warn them all they're setting themselves up for this kind of abuse "Setting themselves up for this kind of abuse" has a very similar ring to "you had it coming". People can be abused in so many different environments (sports, school, church, politics). We can't prevent them from participating in any of these things, and tell them they're "setting themselves up" if they do. That's absurd and will never serve to actually fix the root cause of the problem. There are a host of cultural issues (over-sexualization, hyper masculinity, etc...) that contribute to the pervasiveness of abuse, and without addressing those we will never solve anything. We can also educate our children (or people more generally) on what is an is not acceptable behavior from people in those positions of power doing the abuse.