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Equality of outcome is extreme left, California subscribes to it pretty hard. The left we have in Europe are much saner.

klyrs 6y ago
Europe is a pretty diverse legal landscape, but it looks like quite a few countries there have had affirmative action for over a decade. Is California extreme or is it somewhat more progressive? Because I consider Stalin, Mao, etc. to be the extreme left and California to be extremely conservative by comparison. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affirmative_action https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affirmative_action
- username90 6y ago
  There are different kinds of left. California is not economically extreme left. Edit: About Europe, we almost never practice affirmative action the same way as US does. It mostly is "If two applicants has equal merit you are free to choose the disadvantaged one". See this court case for example: https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-merseyside-47335859 https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-merseyside-47335859 In USA there are many examples of worse students being accepted thanks to affirmative action, and it is defensible in court.
  - klyrs 6y ago
    > There are different kinds of left. California is not economically extreme left. I see. This is a confusion of the economic "left/right" axis with the social "progressive/regressive" axis. Mainstream media does tend to collapse those axes, along with the "authoritarian/libertarian" axis, but this is intellectual laziness that doesn't even represent american bipartisan politics faithfully. We can do better.
    - username90 6y ago
      Personally I am economically left of California and socially right of them. I prefer higher taxes, spend those taxes to help the poor get better opportunities, and then evaluate based on merit. California instead prefer to do lower taxes, let poor suffer and then give them bonus points in selection processes.

klyrs 6y ago

Europe is a pretty diverse legal landscape, but it looks like quite a few countries there have had affirmative action for over a decade. Is California extreme or is it somewhat more progressive? Because I consider Stalin, Mao, etc. to be the extreme left and California to be extremely conservative by comparison. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affirmative_action https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affirmative_action

username90 6y ago
There are different kinds of left. California is not economically extreme left. Edit: About Europe, we almost never practice affirmative action the same way as US does. It mostly is "If two applicants has equal merit you are free to choose the disadvantaged one". See this court case for example: https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-merseyside-47335859 https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-merseyside-47335859 In USA there are many examples of worse students being accepted thanks to affirmative action, and it is defensible in court.
- klyrs 6y ago
  > There are different kinds of left. California is not economically extreme left. I see. This is a confusion of the economic "left/right" axis with the social "progressive/regressive" axis. Mainstream media does tend to collapse those axes, along with the "authoritarian/libertarian" axis, but this is intellectual laziness that doesn't even represent american bipartisan politics faithfully. We can do better.
  - username90 6y ago
    Personally I am economically left of California and socially right of them. I prefer higher taxes, spend those taxes to help the poor get better opportunities, and then evaluate based on merit. California instead prefer to do lower taxes, let poor suffer and then give them bonus points in selection processes.