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> Since you consider everything to be political, then everything is politics and there is no discussion without it. It's a tautological inevitability. but that
by staz 6y ago
> Since you consider everything to be political, then everything is politics and there is no discussion without it. It's a tautological inevitability.
but that's kind of the point. Pretty much any human discussion (or interaction for that matter) _can_ be viewed through a political lens by someone.
Thus by declaring to forbid political discussion, you are just declaring a blanket right to ban any discussions that inconvenience you by judging them political.
- username90 6y agoApolitical workplaces works just fine in practice, you are just fearmongering.
- staz 6y agoI didn't intend to instill fear, sorry that there is a comprehensions. I don't believe that apolitical workplaces actually exist. That you can view workplaces as apolitical is either ignorance or privilege
- username90 6y agoIf people aren't proselyting their views on how the country should be run then it is apolitical. This is the norm. You must be very damaged if you think this is impossible.
- staz 6y agoI will not do a repeat of the discussion on how supporting the status quo is in itself a political statement. But you must be very naive if you think how a company is run has no effect on how a country is run. Fifty year ago in the US whether your company had segregated bathroom or not was a proselyting of their views on how the country should be run. Now it whether trans should be allowed to use the bathroom they want. Why? Because they are political decision taken from the people working there.
- manigandham 6y agoNo, we don't constantly live with theoretical extremes in our day to day life and can operate without political discussion, like our company and many others do. And yes, corporations can set the rules of the workplace they maintain. It is not about "inconvenience" but to avoid chaos and improve productivity. You are free to do as you wish outside of the workplace, including choosing a company that lets you say whatever you want. I applaud and encourage this freedom on both sides.
- staz 6y agoCorporations may be people to you but their rules are written by actual humans, using their existing political biases. And it usually the people at the top choosing them You might think that a discussion you are having is not political because for you it's "common sense", "obvious" and "surely everyone reasonable agree" but that's not forcibly the case. If an employee says a thing you don't agree with, for you it is a political statement and you shut it as such. If you make a political statement an employee don't agree with they shut up and don't contradict you because they don't want to lose their job.
- manigandham 6y ago> "Corporations may be people to you" I never said this. What does this have to do with anything? > "If an employee says a thing you don't agree with, for you it is a political statement and you shut it as such." No. Disagreement on something doesn't not mean that it's political. Most reasonable people can easily figure out the difference: Talking about weather or our tech stack is not political. Talking about immigration policy is. So we discuss the former without the latter, just like millions of other people in many companies. It's not difficult. > "If you make a political statement" I don't. That's what no political discussion means and it applies to everyone. Why do you assume people can't follow their own rules? Overall, if you don't like the rules of the workplace then leave. That's the whole point of this policy and exit package. You're not entitled to stay and discuss whatever you want, and thinking that you can is a very privileged expectation.
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