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Is the law just?

by uoaei 6y ago

Is the law just?

beervirus 6y ago
It is acceptable for a country to have borders and place conditions on who is allowed to cross them.
- uoaei 6y ago
  Not when those conditions, and their enforcement, challenge basic human rights. This is ethics 101.
  - DuskStar 6y ago
    Can you formulate a way to enforce conditions on international migration and travel that doesn't challenge what you view as "basic human rights"?
    - uoaei 6y ago
      Is it appropriate to give human rights abuses a pass until someone can appease your kneejerk reaction for rationalization?
      - DuskStar 6y ago
        Generally people will accept "human rights" abuses for ends that they feel strongly enough about if there aren't alternatives. Maintaining the existence of borders as a practical construct is one of those things. So, if you want to end those "human rights" abuses, you'll need to provide alternatives.
  - Bancakes 6y ago
    Human rights are intangible and the few organisations that tout them concentrate on smaller countries.
- Temasik 6y ago
  I don't understand the downvote here. HN'ers are a community detached from the atom world hahah
TimWillebrands 6y ago
Is having a border just?
johncena33 6y ago
Then change the law and make it fair for eveyone. The current system of protecting people entering into USA favors a particular demographic, which by itself is unfair and unjust. I am also looking for a better life and want to immigrate to USA. But there's no easy way to do it without breaking the law. Creating a system that incentivizes people to break the law and deters law-abiding people to immigrate is not the answer.
- poulsbohemian 6y ago
  >want to immigrate to USA Why? I don't know where you are coming from, but the world is a big place and there are lots of nice places to go. Granted, there are visa / immigration issues in plenty of countries apart from the US as well, but frankly for decades now the US has been on the decline in every measure of livability: health care, education, incomes, leisure time, commute time, etc, etc. About the only thing the US nominally leads in is a vague notion that you can make more money here than in other countries, but even that is subjective relative to the cost of living and quality of life.

Is the law just?

by uoaei 6y ago

Is the law just?

beervirus 6y ago

It is acceptable for a country to have borders and place conditions on who is allowed to cross them.

uoaei 6y ago
Not when those conditions, and their enforcement, challenge basic human rights. This is ethics 101.
- DuskStar 6y ago
  Can you formulate a way to enforce conditions on international migration and travel that doesn't challenge what you view as "basic human rights"?
  - uoaei 6y ago
    Is it appropriate to give human rights abuses a pass until someone can appease your kneejerk reaction for rationalization?
    - DuskStar 6y ago
      Generally people will accept "human rights" abuses for ends that they feel strongly enough about if there aren't alternatives. Maintaining the existence of borders as a practical construct is one of those things. So, if you want to end those "human rights" abuses, you'll need to provide alternatives.
- Bancakes 6y ago
  Human rights are intangible and the few organisations that tout them concentrate on smaller countries.
Temasik 6y ago
I don't understand the downvote here. HN'ers are a community detached from the atom world hahah

TimWillebrands 6y ago

Is having a border just?

johncena33 6y ago

Then change the law and make it fair for eveyone. The current system of protecting people entering into USA favors a particular demographic, which by itself is unfair and unjust. I am also looking for a better life and want to immigrate to USA. But there's no easy way to do it without breaking the law. Creating a system that incentivizes people to break the law and deters law-abiding people to immigrate is not the answer.

poulsbohemian 6y ago
>want to immigrate to USA Why? I don't know where you are coming from, but the world is a big place and there are lots of nice places to go. Granted, there are visa / immigration issues in plenty of countries apart from the US as well, but frankly for decades now the US has been on the decline in every measure of livability: health care, education, incomes, leisure time, commute time, etc, etc. About the only thing the US nominally leads in is a vague notion that you can make more money here than in other countries, but even that is subjective relative to the cost of living and quality of life.