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I don't mean to me facetious, but I am genuinely curious: why should you get to have it your way? You are attempting to buy a product they do not sell.

Karunamon 6y ago
Because a hardware vendor telling you what you can and can't do with the stuff you own is immoral.
- EricE 6y ago
  Then don’t buy it? It’s not like Apple is the only vendor. Kind of hard to have diversity/options if everyone keeps insisting all vendors do everything the same way.
  - Karunamon 6y ago
    I can buy what I want and also do what I want to what I purcwhased.
    - wltprgm 6y ago
      People can use their mouths to say at least the fact of flaws the product and services you purchased which acts as an advice to not purchase them The downvote button on Hacker News doesn't work like a dislike button by the way
  - stale2002 6y ago
    Or instead of that, people can engage in the entirely legal act of both purchasing it, and the entirely legal act of hacking it. Customers have a legal right to do basically anything they want with something that they own.
  - sangnoir 6y ago
    First sale doctrine says if I buy something, I now completely own it and I can do as I please with it, even if it goes against any of the former owner's wishes or intent.
  - anoncake 6y ago
    Apple bossing around its users doesn't increase diversity for anyone, it only artificially reduces its users' options.
toyg 6y ago
Why would I not? Why should I accept everything companies do without ever complaining? Am I not allowed to tell the fishmonger that his fish doesn’t look that fresh to me? In the same way, I’m free to tell Apple their fish would taste better with some adjustments.
RonanTheGrey 6y ago
Then perhaps they should sell it, and stop ignoring people who want it? Benign neglect (not creating limitations) is not the same as active interference (actively preventing) and Apple is much more on the side of active interference. They could simply do nothing (which is cheaper). They choose not to, at which point we get to question their motives. In the end your question reduces to "why do you want anything at all that someone doesn't already make?" and that doesn't make alot of sense given that new products come out on the market all the time.
stjohnswarts 6y ago
After you buy your hardware it's yours to do with as you will. If these hacks result in the ability to load whatever you like on the T2 and intel proper then why not? Hackers like to hack. A lot of programmers are also hackers (in the traditional sense, not the negative sentiments that the press gives it)

Karunamon 6y ago

Because a hardware vendor telling you what you can and can't do with the stuff you own is immoral.

EricE 6y ago
Then don’t buy it? It’s not like Apple is the only vendor. Kind of hard to have diversity/options if everyone keeps insisting all vendors do everything the same way.
- Karunamon 6y ago
  I can buy what I want and also do what I want to what I purcwhased.
  - wltprgm 6y ago
    People can use their mouths to say at least the fact of flaws the product and services you purchased which acts as an advice to not purchase them The downvote button on Hacker News doesn't work like a dislike button by the way
- stale2002 6y ago
  Or instead of that, people can engage in the entirely legal act of both purchasing it, and the entirely legal act of hacking it. Customers have a legal right to do basically anything they want with something that they own.
- sangnoir 6y ago
  First sale doctrine says if I buy something, I now completely own it and I can do as I please with it, even if it goes against any of the former owner's wishes or intent.
- anoncake 6y ago
  Apple bossing around its users doesn't increase diversity for anyone, it only artificially reduces its users' options.

toyg 6y ago

Why would I not? Why should I accept everything companies do without ever complaining? Am I not allowed to tell the fishmonger that his fish doesn’t look that fresh to me? In the same way, I’m free to tell Apple their fish would taste better with some adjustments.

RonanTheGrey 6y ago

Then perhaps they should sell it, and stop ignoring people who want it? Benign neglect (not creating limitations) is not the same as active interference (actively preventing) and Apple is much more on the side of active interference. They could simply do nothing (which is cheaper). They choose not to, at which point we get to question their motives. In the end your question reduces to "why do you want anything at all that someone doesn't already make?" and that doesn't make alot of sense given that new products come out on the market all the time.

stjohnswarts 6y ago

After you buy your hardware it's yours to do with as you will. If these hacks result in the ability to load whatever you like on the T2 and intel proper then why not? Hackers like to hack. A lot of programmers are also hackers (in the traditional sense, not the negative sentiments that the press gives it)