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Suggestion: make a theme park from grounded / unused planes. A Disney World, but flight-themed, and with REAL planes (and real ex-pilots). I can tell you that a

Suggestion: make a theme park from grounded / unused planes. A Disney World, but flight-themed, and with REAL planes (and real ex-pilots). I can tell you that a ton of boys would be excited as hell to learn how to take off and land from a real pilot. In stormy weather! I'd definitely give it a visit :-)

danpalmer 6y ago
Friendly tip, but this could reinforce stereotypes of which genders can do which jobs. Probably not too much of an issue talking about kids wanting to be pilots on HN, but in general it's best not to gender things like this. "...a ton of kids would be excited as hell..." works just as well, and wouldn't be in danger of making anyone feel excluded. This is minor, no one instance will change things, but the cumulative effect is a society where women are vastly under-represented in areas like tech/STEM, or men are under-represented in child care.
- 88840-8855 6y ago
  >Friendly tip, but this could reinforce stereotypes of which genders can do which jobs. I hope you are kidding... >"...a ton of kids would be excited as hell..." works just as well, and wouldn't be in danger of making anyone feel excluded. I am a grown man. You say "kids" - I feel excluded now.
  - danpalmer 6y ago
    > You say "kids" - I feel excluded now. You're right, I apologise, when you grow up you can be a pilot too.
  - jhamilton 6y ago
    Don't feel that way, judging by your response it's clear you never progressed past childhood.
    - dang 6y ago
      Personal attacks will get you banned here, so please don't. If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and sticking to the rules when posting, we'd be grateful.
- hackerfromthefu 6y ago
  Intentional disregard of reality ^ ^
  - danpalmer 6y ago
    I actually acknowledged reality, my feedback was to try to improve that poor situation we find ourselves in now. Unless you understood that and are suggesting that women are actually less able to be pilots?
- fsloth 6y ago
  danpalmer, you raised an excellent point. Disregarding all politics, it's a statistical fact females are excluded from lots of activities early in their life due to giving various activities gender specific contexts. And this is a thing. And vice versa for boys. So it's not okay to say often "this is girls|boys stuff" until people reach puberty when gender specific contexts actually start to matter.
- danieldk 6y ago
  "...a ton of kids would be excited as hell..." works just as well And a ton of kids are excited. We went several times Technik Museum Sinsheim and once to Speyer and our daughter (4-5 at the time) loved peeking around in the planes. https://sinsheim.technik-museum.de/ https://sinsheim.technik-museum.de/ https://speyer.technik-museum.de/ https://speyer.technik-museum.de/
fsloth 6y ago
These are called aviation museums :)

danpalmer 6y ago

Friendly tip, but this could reinforce stereotypes of which genders can do which jobs. Probably not too much of an issue talking about kids wanting to be pilots on HN, but in general it's best not to gender things like this. "...a ton of kids would be excited as hell..." works just as well, and wouldn't be in danger of making anyone feel excluded. This is minor, no one instance will change things, but the cumulative effect is a society where women are vastly under-represented in areas like tech/STEM, or men are under-represented in child care.

88840-8855 6y ago
>Friendly tip, but this could reinforce stereotypes of which genders can do which jobs. I hope you are kidding... >"...a ton of kids would be excited as hell..." works just as well, and wouldn't be in danger of making anyone feel excluded. I am a grown man. You say "kids" - I feel excluded now.
- danpalmer 6y ago
  > You say "kids" - I feel excluded now. You're right, I apologise, when you grow up you can be a pilot too.
- jhamilton 6y ago
  Don't feel that way, judging by your response it's clear you never progressed past childhood.
  - dang 6y ago
    Personal attacks will get you banned here, so please don't. If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and sticking to the rules when posting, we'd be grateful.
hackerfromthefu 6y ago
Intentional disregard of reality ^ ^
- danpalmer 6y ago
  I actually acknowledged reality, my feedback was to try to improve that poor situation we find ourselves in now. Unless you understood that and are suggesting that women are actually less able to be pilots?
fsloth 6y ago
danpalmer, you raised an excellent point. Disregarding all politics, it's a statistical fact females are excluded from lots of activities early in their life due to giving various activities gender specific contexts. And this is a thing. And vice versa for boys. So it's not okay to say often "this is girls|boys stuff" until people reach puberty when gender specific contexts actually start to matter.
danieldk 6y ago
"...a ton of kids would be excited as hell..." works just as well And a ton of kids are excited. We went several times Technik Museum Sinsheim and once to Speyer and our daughter (4-5 at the time) loved peeking around in the planes. https://sinsheim.technik-museum.de/ https://sinsheim.technik-museum.de/ https://speyer.technik-museum.de/ https://speyer.technik-museum.de/

fsloth 6y ago

These are called aviation museums :)