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Who are you to know how much other people suffer from not being able to go on vacation?

luckylion 6y ago
Maybe qualifying it helps: Nobody is going to reasonably suffer from not being able to take the plane to go on a vacation.
- rini17 6y ago
  I already know some who did suffer (perhaps unreasonably but that's in the end irrelevant).
  - luckylion 6y ago
    Perhaps "suffer" isn't great here, because it's used coloquially as "being affected" and to literally suffer because of something. People will be affected, absolutely. And some people might also suffer from not being able to have an international vacation. But probably not reasonably so, i.e. a reasonable person would not suffer in that situation. You can suffer unreasonably, and you're right, it's irrelevant to the question of "does suffering exist", but it's very relevant to the question of "should we do something about it as society". If it's reasonable, probably. Otherwise that's between an individual and their therapist.
- logicchains 6y ago
  >Nobody is going to reasonably suffer Your definition of reasonable is not universal. For many people, life is for living, not for sacrificing worldly pleasures to eke out as long an existence as possible.
  - JohnBooty 6y ago
    This isn't about sacrificing all worldly pleasures or even all vacations. It's about perhaps rethinking whether one needs to fly so often for one's vacations.
- sct202 6y ago
  A lot of people don't live on the same continent that they were born on and vacations are the only time they get to see their families.
fogihujy 6y ago
It's not that air travel will just disappear or anything. Some areas are simply too remote to depend on anything else. However, up until about 8 months ago, there were lots of 15-30 minute flights that could be replaced with videoconferencing and (post-pandemic) train travel. Sure, you still might need to catch a plane if you're going on vacation on the other side of the globe, but you can usuall have that client meeting over Zoom, and if you're going on a trip from one European city to another then train travel is often not a bad option.
- logicchains 6y ago
  >It's not that air travel will just disappear or anything. The comment I was replying to was implying that recreational air travel should be banned completely.
  - fogihujy 6y ago
    I interpreted it as getting rid off unneccesary air travel. There are multiple ways of achieving such a reduction, but not all would require a ban. A total ban of air travel is, of course, not possible.
covidSurvivor19 6y ago
Must be a leftist, they all like centralized authority that will surely know what's best for individual people. In reality, the best chooser for an individual is him/her/self owing to their unique perspective. Not going on vacation may well indeed be suffering.

Maybe qualifying it helps: Nobody is going to reasonably suffer from not being able to take the plane to go on a vacation.

rini17 6y ago
I already know some who did suffer (perhaps unreasonably but that's in the end irrelevant).
- luckylion 6y ago
  Perhaps "suffer" isn't great here, because it's used coloquially as "being affected" and to literally suffer because of something. People will be affected, absolutely. And some people might also suffer from not being able to have an international vacation. But probably not reasonably so, i.e. a reasonable person would not suffer in that situation. You can suffer unreasonably, and you're right, it's irrelevant to the question of "does suffering exist", but it's very relevant to the question of "should we do something about it as society". If it's reasonable, probably. Otherwise that's between an individual and their therapist.
logicchains 6y ago
>Nobody is going to reasonably suffer Your definition of reasonable is not universal. For many people, life is for living, not for sacrificing worldly pleasures to eke out as long an existence as possible.
- JohnBooty 6y ago
  This isn't about sacrificing all worldly pleasures or even all vacations. It's about perhaps rethinking whether one needs to fly so often for one's vacations.
sct202 6y ago
A lot of people don't live on the same continent that they were born on and vacations are the only time they get to see their families.

fogihujy 6y ago

It's not that air travel will just disappear or anything. Some areas are simply too remote to depend on anything else. However, up until about 8 months ago, there were lots of 15-30 minute flights that could be replaced with videoconferencing and (post-pandemic) train travel. Sure, you still might need to catch a plane if you're going on vacation on the other side of the globe, but you can usuall have that client meeting over Zoom, and if you're going on a trip from one European city to another then train travel is often not a bad option.

logicchains 6y ago
>It's not that air travel will just disappear or anything. The comment I was replying to was implying that recreational air travel should be banned completely.
- fogihujy 6y ago
  I interpreted it as getting rid off unneccesary air travel. There are multiple ways of achieving such a reduction, but not all would require a ban. A total ban of air travel is, of course, not possible.

covidSurvivor19 6y ago

Must be a leftist, they all like centralized authority that will surely know what's best for individual people. In reality, the best chooser for an individual is him/her/self owing to their unique perspective. Not going on vacation may well indeed be suffering.