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And how are males not getting massively fat due to processed foods and the significant pressure of soybean oil and products based on soybean oil and other proce
by jgowdy 6y ago
And how are males not getting massively fat due to processed foods and the significant pressure of soybean oil and products based on soybean oil and other processed foods rich in xenoestrogens from factory foods? Yet you’re pointing to “beer” as if it some key ingredient. Does the introduction of beer somehow correlate with the collapse of male fertility rates? Or does the introduction of vegetable based factory foods correlate with the crash of male fertility?
It makes me sad that we were about the evidence before but seeding the desired answers now.
- knuthsat 6y agoIt was implied that phytoestrogens from soy affect fertility when most of phytoestrogens consumed come from beer. Phytoestrogens do not have any significant effect on male hormones. Getting fat because one eats too much of food is the main reason.
- hkeide 6y agoThe calory in calory out (CICO) model is pretty much debunked I think. Some foods affect metabolism, others affect satiety. People in the US had enough food a hundred years ago, yet they weren't morbidly obese.
- knuthsat 6y agoYet the average calorie intake in the USA, Australia and UK is at its highest amount in history. My country (Croatia) went from an average of ~20kg of meat per year per person (~1990s) to ~70kg of meat per year per person in 30 years. The amount of calories is obviously massively different. The mediterranean diet in Croatia is dead. People are getting obese and getting diseases that come with obesity (heart disease, diabetes etc.). Meat is not to blame, it's people eating massive amounts of calories, living an unhealthy sedentary lifestyle. CICO model works for healthy people. For those with metabolic disease (diabetes and similar) it might not work completely.
- jgowdy 6y agoCan you explain when the introduction of beer suddenly caused the crash in male fertility? As opposed to it being related to the huge push towards xenoestrogens? It’s cute to find a masculine form of victim blaming but there is literally zero evidence to back this up. You might as well blame ownership of pickup trucks for male fertility crashing. This is terribly hollow and baseless.
- knuthsat 6y agoBeer contains magnitudes more phytoestrogens than soy. I do not understand how soy is then to blame for phytoestrogen content when people consume more beer in their life than soy products. That is the only reason why I mentioned beer. I do not believe phytoestrogens have any effect on male hormones. It's quite known that getting obese has a massive effect on male hormones. The mehanistic/metabolism effect is known. We know why obese men become infertile, why they grow breasts (gynecomastia) and all the other effects of obesity.