7 ms·

So he’s wrong then?

rudedogg 6y ago
Sign in with Apple is tied to the developer account. I'm guessing it was assumed that it would be disabled since Apple released a statement saying they were terminating Epic's account. John Gruber gets special access to Apple - and in return asks softball questions and is never too critical (that's my take anyway).
- scarface74 6y ago
  Well this is the evidence we have. Epic said they would lose Sign In with Apple. We have no proof that Apple ever communicated that to Epic. Epic did not lose access. So where does that leave us? As far as Gruber never criticizing Apple. The keyboard: https://daringfireball.net/2020/02/my_2019_apple_report_card https://daringfireball.net/2020/02/my_2019_apple_report_card And the most famous one. Gruber’s comments on “great web apps” for the original iPhone - calling it a “shit sandwich” https://daringfireball.net/2007/06/wwdc_2007_keynote https://daringfireball.net/2007/06/wwdc_2007_keynote More recently, the complaint about the App Store. He criticizes App review all the time. https://daringfireball.net/2020/09/widgetsmith_bunco_squad https://daringfireball.net/2020/09/widgetsmith_bunco_squad
  - rudedogg 6y ago
    > Well this is the evidence we have. > Epic said they would lose Sign In with Apple. > We have no proof that Apple ever communicated that to Epic. > Epic did not lose access. > So where does that leave us? I think it was a fair assumption by Epic to assume that Sign in with Apple would stop working when their Developer Account was terminated. SIWA is tied to a Developer Account. My guess is Apple quickly did some work or made an exception so Epic could keep authenticating users.
    - scarface74 6y ago
      They implied that they had heard directly from Apple.
      - rudedogg 6y ago
        https://www.macrumors.com/2020/08/28/apple-terminates-epic-games-developer-account/ https://www.macrumors.com/2020/08/28/apple-terminates-epic-g... > Update: In a statement, Apple confirmed the account has been removed and said it's disappointing that the termination had to happen. > "We are disappointed that we have had to terminate the Epic Games account on the App Store . We have worked with the team at Epic Games for many years on their launches and releases. The court recommended that Epic comply with the App Store guidelines while their case moves forward, guidelines they’ve followed for the past decade until they created this situation. Epic has refused. Instead they repeatedly submit Fortnite updates designed to violate the guidelines of the App Store . This is not fair to all other developers on the App Store and is putting customers in the middle of their fight. We hope that we can work together again in the future, but unfortunately that is not possible today." > Apple says that the termination applies only to the Epic Games developer account, and it occurred after Epic Games was provided with 14 days to comply with the App Store rules. The removal of the Epic Games account is Apple's standard process for all accounts that defy App Store policies. Edit: (Had some timeline stuff here, but the dates were wrong.) I guess we disagree on what terminating the developer account implies. Like Epic, I would expect to lose everything you do in there - including SIWA.
        scarface74 6y ago
        This would be a boneheaded move for Apple for them to cancel SIWA when a developer lost their developer account. I don’t mean just in the case of a public uproar like this. But, if someone decided not to pay the $99 fee. Perhaps because they decided to abandon their app and go web only. It would ruin Apple’s credibility completely if you can’t trust your IDP not to abandon you.
- ksec 6y ago
  That is my take as well. I am giving Epic the benefits of doubt here. I am guessing the letter to Epic likely state all Apple Services relating to developer account. ( With no mention specifically for SIWA ). Epic took it as it is. The point that Apple require and need to take special care to make sure SIWA works without developer account is the interesting part.

So he’s wrong then?

Sign in with Apple is tied to the developer account. I'm guessing it was assumed that it would be disabled since Apple released a statement saying they were terminating Epic's account. John Gruber gets special access to Apple - and in return asks softball questions and is never too critical (that's my take anyway).

scarface74 6y ago
Well this is the evidence we have. Epic said they would lose Sign In with Apple. We have no proof that Apple ever communicated that to Epic. Epic did not lose access. So where does that leave us? As far as Gruber never criticizing Apple. The keyboard: https://daringfireball.net/2020/02/my_2019_apple_report_card https://daringfireball.net/2020/02/my_2019_apple_report_card And the most famous one. Gruber’s comments on “great web apps” for the original iPhone - calling it a “shit sandwich” https://daringfireball.net/2007/06/wwdc_2007_keynote https://daringfireball.net/2007/06/wwdc_2007_keynote More recently, the complaint about the App Store. He criticizes App review all the time. https://daringfireball.net/2020/09/widgetsmith_bunco_squad https://daringfireball.net/2020/09/widgetsmith_bunco_squad
- rudedogg 6y ago
  > Well this is the evidence we have. > Epic said they would lose Sign In with Apple. > We have no proof that Apple ever communicated that to Epic. > Epic did not lose access. > So where does that leave us? I think it was a fair assumption by Epic to assume that Sign in with Apple would stop working when their Developer Account was terminated. SIWA is tied to a Developer Account. My guess is Apple quickly did some work or made an exception so Epic could keep authenticating users.
  - scarface74 6y ago
    They implied that they had heard directly from Apple.
    - rudedogg 6y ago
      https://www.macrumors.com/2020/08/28/apple-terminates-epic-games-developer-account/ https://www.macrumors.com/2020/08/28/apple-terminates-epic-g... > Update: In a statement, Apple confirmed the account has been removed and said it's disappointing that the termination had to happen. > "We are disappointed that we have had to terminate the Epic Games account on the App Store . We have worked with the team at Epic Games for many years on their launches and releases. The court recommended that Epic comply with the App Store guidelines while their case moves forward, guidelines they’ve followed for the past decade until they created this situation. Epic has refused. Instead they repeatedly submit Fortnite updates designed to violate the guidelines of the App Store . This is not fair to all other developers on the App Store and is putting customers in the middle of their fight. We hope that we can work together again in the future, but unfortunately that is not possible today." > Apple says that the termination applies only to the Epic Games developer account, and it occurred after Epic Games was provided with 14 days to comply with the App Store rules. The removal of the Epic Games account is Apple's standard process for all accounts that defy App Store policies. Edit: (Had some timeline stuff here, but the dates were wrong.) I guess we disagree on what terminating the developer account implies. Like Epic, I would expect to lose everything you do in there - including SIWA.
      - scarface74 6y ago
        This would be a boneheaded move for Apple for them to cancel SIWA when a developer lost their developer account. I don’t mean just in the case of a public uproar like this. But, if someone decided not to pay the $99 fee. Perhaps because they decided to abandon their app and go web only. It would ruin Apple’s credibility completely if you can’t trust your IDP not to abandon you.
ksec 6y ago
That is my take as well. I am giving Epic the benefits of doubt here. I am guessing the letter to Epic likely state all Apple Services relating to developer account. ( With no mention specifically for SIWA ). Epic took it as it is. The point that Apple require and need to take special care to make sure SIWA works without developer account is the interesting part.