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THe Kiva video is not state-of-the-art I think. Check out this automated grocery warehouse, something right out of Factorio: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4D

THe Kiva video is not state-of-the-art I think. Check out this automated grocery warehouse, something right out of Factorio: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4DKrcpa8Z_E https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4DKrcpa8Z_E Humans would just get in the way and get mangled.

tpmx 6y ago
That's a rendered video of the Ocado warehouse system, which I think is a ripoff of the Swisslog Autostore system. There was a lawsuit. Then Ocado hired Swisslog... Btw: This Autostore system is becoming the standard automated warehouse system for Swedish e-retailers, as they prepare for Amazon entering the Swedish market in a month or two. I think there are at least like 10 very large Autostore installations in Sweden for various niche online e-retailers. And like 20 "large" installations.
- Animats 6y ago
  I'm amazed that Swisslog system works reliably. All that precision track and rack. All those moving parts. There have been big automated storage and retrieval systems for decades, but they're often a maintenance headache. The Kiva system just needs is a flat floor. The robots are mechanically simple and totally interchangeable. On-site maintenance is limited to replacing batteries and wheels; for anything else it goes back to a repair center.
  - tpmx 6y ago
    I think the major design philosophy differences between the two systems are: - Kiva robots are designed to work along with cheap labor - Swisslog Autostore is designed to minimise labor, because labor is expensive in Europe (it does more of the work). Here's a four year old video of an Autostore at komplett.no/komplett.se: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWK5xL_o3f4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWK5xL_o3f4
- LargoLasskhyfv 6y ago
  Amazing. Now imagine that combined with something like [1] http://www.cargocap.com/ http://www.cargocap.com/ or [2] https://www.smartcityloop.de/ https://www.smartcityloop.de/ or [3] https://www.cst.ch/en/ https://www.cst.ch/en/ maybe even extended right into your condo via elevator! edit: Surprise, Surprise! [4] https://www.four-parx.com/en/four-parx-smart-city-loop-for-underground-city-logistics-hamburg/ https://www.four-parx.com/en/four-parx-smart-city-loop-for-u... in my hometown! Yay!
hinkley 6y ago
That warehouse burned to the ground about a year ago, didn't it?

tpmx 6y ago

That's a rendered video of the Ocado warehouse system, which I think is a ripoff of the Swisslog Autostore system. There was a lawsuit. Then Ocado hired Swisslog... Btw: This Autostore system is becoming the standard automated warehouse system for Swedish e-retailers, as they prepare for Amazon entering the Swedish market in a month or two. I think there are at least like 10 very large Autostore installations in Sweden for various niche online e-retailers. And like 20 "large" installations.

Animats 6y ago
I'm amazed that Swisslog system works reliably. All that precision track and rack. All those moving parts. There have been big automated storage and retrieval systems for decades, but they're often a maintenance headache. The Kiva system just needs is a flat floor. The robots are mechanically simple and totally interchangeable. On-site maintenance is limited to replacing batteries and wheels; for anything else it goes back to a repair center.
- tpmx 6y ago
  I think the major design philosophy differences between the two systems are: - Kiva robots are designed to work along with cheap labor - Swisslog Autostore is designed to minimise labor, because labor is expensive in Europe (it does more of the work). Here's a four year old video of an Autostore at komplett.no/komplett.se: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWK5xL_o3f4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWK5xL_o3f4
LargoLasskhyfv 6y ago
Amazing. Now imagine that combined with something like [1] http://www.cargocap.com/ http://www.cargocap.com/ or [2] https://www.smartcityloop.de/ https://www.smartcityloop.de/ or [3] https://www.cst.ch/en/ https://www.cst.ch/en/ maybe even extended right into your condo via elevator! edit: Surprise, Surprise! [4] https://www.four-parx.com/en/four-parx-smart-city-loop-for-underground-city-logistics-hamburg/ https://www.four-parx.com/en/four-parx-smart-city-loop-for-u... in my hometown! Yay!

hinkley 6y ago

That warehouse burned to the ground about a year ago, didn't it?