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Dishwashers are my pet peeve. Visiting family, they all have these dish rinsers that can't actually clean dirty dishes so we hand wash everything then put them

by ahi 6y ago

Dishwashers are my pet peeve. Visiting family, they all have these dish rinsers that can't actually clean dirty dishes so we hand wash everything then put them in? I have a dishwasher from the 80s that actually washes dishes. I don't think I will replace it when it dies with a new one. Granted, it may never die since they used to make them last too.

gwbas1c 6y ago
It's that there's a lot of variation in dishwasher quality. I used to live in an apartment with a landlord-installed $200 cheapie dishwashers that never worked. Then I moved to an apartment without a dishwasher, so I bought a $500 one that I could plug into the sink. Worked much better. After that apartment, I moved into one that had the same dishwasher that I bought, but installed. Worked great! Then I moved into another apartment with a cheapie dishwasher that was so loud I'd only run it when I left. Anyway, the lesson is that you need to be a savvy consumer... And skip the cheapest models!
- sjg007 6y ago
  The expensive ones don't work that well either. My kitchenaid cost $1k and it sucks. Maybe a Miele or Bosch will work better.. they are more but honestly I just want one that cleans reliably. New toilets are awful.. just terrible.
  - heelix 6y ago
    Just purchased a 30 year old house... with older plumbing. Ugly color, but compared to the newer ones we put into our former house - they work incredibly well when sinking the Bismarck.
  - reissbaker 6y ago
    My relatively new Bosch (about 2.5 years old) cleans better than any dishwasher I can remember having. And it's near-silent, too. New models can be good!
    - sjg007 6y ago
      Yeah I think Bosch is the better choice. What model?
      - jarito 6y ago
        I got the 500 version based on this article from Wirecutter. Works well, but does require that we leave the door open for a while to let the plastic dry. Silent though. Most of the time, I can only tell it is running by the light on the ground. https://www.nytimes.com/wirecutter/reviews/the-best-dishwasher/ https://www.nytimes.com/wirecutter/reviews/the-best-dishwash...
        scruple 6y ago
        I _just_ ordered a Bosch 500 series because my (barely 4 year old) GE model died over the weekend. I was told by a friend who owns the same Bosch model that they go through a lot of Jet Dry, though... But if it actually cleans well and doesn't break in a few years I'll be happy.
        gdevenyi 6y ago
        Had mine 6 years. It doesn't "need" the jet dry, but it certainly helps.
        bm1362 6y ago
        Also just bought the same model, hoping to replace a terrible Whirlpool.
      - Stratoscope 6y ago
        Whatever Bosch you get, avoid the ones with membrane buttons for the controls. I have one and it is horrible. The lettering is completely worn off, the buttons are not sensitive, and you have to keep pressure on them for more than a second to register your touch. They have otherwise nearly identical models with physical buttons. If I were buying it over again, I would definitely get one of those.
  - Tyr42 6y ago
    My parents had bad luck with Bosch. It didn't clean, and then it leaked. But the Ikea dishwasher we bought, it was loud but it worked
    - sjg007 6y ago
      Ikea's are mostly Whirlpools I believe... Whirlpools tend to be a little more reliable but noisier.
  - sokoloff 6y ago
    I never imagined I would have any feelings for an appliance, but I love my Bosch (800 series and it was just under $1K; third rack is great as well).
  - gwbas1c 6y ago
    My Bosch dishwashers were less than $1k and work great. I put one in my old house, and liked it so much that, when I moved and had to pick out another, I just bought the same one!
- war1025 6y ago
  > so loud I'd only run it when I left. I lived in a studio apartment with this kind of dishwasher for five years. I refused to run it since it was so obnoxious. Now I just treat the dishwasher as a drying rack. Works great.
- PhantomGremlin 6y ago
  a cheapie dishwasher that was so loud I'd only run it when I left I'm not sure that's a good idea. I had a dishwasher that had the failure described in the article linked below. The electronics circuitry (top of door) caught fire. Opening the door didn't stop the smoke, and also caused water to spew uncontrollably into the kitchen. Fortunately I made a quick dash out to the garage and turned off the breaker so there was no damage to the kitchen. But if I wasn't home .... what would have happened? If we were all sleeping upstairs while the fire was downstairs .... what would have happened? https://www.consumerreports.org/dishwashers/whirlpool-settles-dishwasher-fire-lawsuit-with-offer-of-rebates-and-repairs/ https://www.consumerreports.org/dishwashers/whirlpool-settle...
  - LargoLasskhyfv 6y ago
    There are smoke alarms for that.
72deluxe 6y ago
Are you in the USA? Here in the UK I don't think I have ever seen a dish rinser! We have dishwashers aplenty. The one issue is that if you think the dishwasher is a food disposal unit, you'll likely clog it up. Some people put dishes in with lumps of food on them, or don't put salt in the dishwasher (depends on the tablets you use) and the lifespan of the dishwasher will be impacted. When my old one failed to drain and filled up, I was amazed at how much water came out of it when I shimmy'd it to the back door and released the kraken over the back garden. It was like a tsunami.
- reissbaker 6y ago
  I think "dish rinser" was meant as a put-down for "bad dishwasher" — I live in the US and I haven't heard of "dish rinsers" either.
  - bluGill 6y ago
    Commercial dishwashers are better described are just sterilizers and would be called dish risers if you don't put clean dishes in. They work fast to get dishes ready for safe reuse.
megablast 6y ago
Anyone who cares about the environment does not use a dishwasher.
- blacksmith_tb 6y ago
  I'd need to see some estimates for handwashing, but it looks like a modern dishwasher uses 4-6gal (15-23l) of water[1]. That's about 1/10th of a bath (sure, if you're conserving water and energy you take showers instead, so it's about 1/3 of a shower). 1: https://www.consumerreports.org/dishwashers/energy-efficient-dishwashers-that-clean-well-save-money/ https://www.consumerreports.org/dishwashers/energy-efficient...
  - martyvis 6y ago
    It's not just the power and water use, but the quite harsh and caustic nature of the dishwasher detergent that is a concern in some areas
  - shard 6y ago
    I would imagine dishwashing water use varies a lot depending on habits. I have refined my dishwashing over the years to this procedure: 0. use aerating faucet head to increase spread of water. 1. Short splash of cold water to remove stuck-on food, letting it sit if needed. 2. Wash with detergent on wet sponge, no added water. 3. Rinse with cold water, low water volume, with stacked dishes below faucet so that water from the rinse is rinsing dishes below as well. I've never measured how much water is used, but I would think that it's fairly competitive against a dishwasher.
    - koyote 6y ago
      The Miele dishwasher I used to have in my old flat used around 7 litres per wash. My current, not quite as fancy one, uses around 9 litres. That's like just over a minute of the tap being on full blast for an aerated tap. I am sure you could compete with that if you really tried, but from what I've seen a lot of people simply leave the tap on for the majority of the time they are washing the dishes.

by ahi 6y ago

gwbas1c 6y ago

It's that there's a lot of variation in dishwasher quality. I used to live in an apartment with a landlord-installed $200 cheapie dishwashers that never worked. Then I moved to an apartment without a dishwasher, so I bought a $500 one that I could plug into the sink. Worked much better. After that apartment, I moved into one that had the same dishwasher that I bought, but installed. Worked great! Then I moved into another apartment with a cheapie dishwasher that was so loud I'd only run it when I left. Anyway, the lesson is that you need to be a savvy consumer... And skip the cheapest models!

sjg007 6y ago
The expensive ones don't work that well either. My kitchenaid cost $1k and it sucks. Maybe a Miele or Bosch will work better.. they are more but honestly I just want one that cleans reliably. New toilets are awful.. just terrible.
- heelix 6y ago
  Just purchased a 30 year old house... with older plumbing. Ugly color, but compared to the newer ones we put into our former house - they work incredibly well when sinking the Bismarck.
- reissbaker 6y ago
  My relatively new Bosch (about 2.5 years old) cleans better than any dishwasher I can remember having. And it's near-silent, too. New models can be good!
  - sjg007 6y ago
    Yeah I think Bosch is the better choice. What model?
    - jarito 6y ago
      I got the 500 version based on this article from Wirecutter. Works well, but does require that we leave the door open for a while to let the plastic dry. Silent though. Most of the time, I can only tell it is running by the light on the ground. https://www.nytimes.com/wirecutter/reviews/the-best-dishwasher/ https://www.nytimes.com/wirecutter/reviews/the-best-dishwash...
      - scruple 6y ago
        I _just_ ordered a Bosch 500 series because my (barely 4 year old) GE model died over the weekend. I was told by a friend who owns the same Bosch model that they go through a lot of Jet Dry, though... But if it actually cleans well and doesn't break in a few years I'll be happy.
        gdevenyi 6y ago
        Had mine 6 years. It doesn't "need" the jet dry, but it certainly helps.
        bm1362 6y ago
        Also just bought the same model, hoping to replace a terrible Whirlpool.
    - Stratoscope 6y ago
      Whatever Bosch you get, avoid the ones with membrane buttons for the controls. I have one and it is horrible. The lettering is completely worn off, the buttons are not sensitive, and you have to keep pressure on them for more than a second to register your touch. They have otherwise nearly identical models with physical buttons. If I were buying it over again, I would definitely get one of those.
- Tyr42 6y ago
  My parents had bad luck with Bosch. It didn't clean, and then it leaked. But the Ikea dishwasher we bought, it was loud but it worked
  - sjg007 6y ago
    Ikea's are mostly Whirlpools I believe... Whirlpools tend to be a little more reliable but noisier.
- sokoloff 6y ago
  I never imagined I would have any feelings for an appliance, but I love my Bosch (800 series and it was just under $1K; third rack is great as well).
- gwbas1c 6y ago
  My Bosch dishwashers were less than $1k and work great. I put one in my old house, and liked it so much that, when I moved and had to pick out another, I just bought the same one!
war1025 6y ago
> so loud I'd only run it when I left. I lived in a studio apartment with this kind of dishwasher for five years. I refused to run it since it was so obnoxious. Now I just treat the dishwasher as a drying rack. Works great.
PhantomGremlin 6y ago
a cheapie dishwasher that was so loud I'd only run it when I left I'm not sure that's a good idea. I had a dishwasher that had the failure described in the article linked below. The electronics circuitry (top of door) caught fire. Opening the door didn't stop the smoke, and also caused water to spew uncontrollably into the kitchen. Fortunately I made a quick dash out to the garage and turned off the breaker so there was no damage to the kitchen. But if I wasn't home .... what would have happened? If we were all sleeping upstairs while the fire was downstairs .... what would have happened? https://www.consumerreports.org/dishwashers/whirlpool-settles-dishwasher-fire-lawsuit-with-offer-of-rebates-and-repairs/ https://www.consumerreports.org/dishwashers/whirlpool-settle...
- LargoLasskhyfv 6y ago
  There are smoke alarms for that.

72deluxe 6y ago

Are you in the USA? Here in the UK I don't think I have ever seen a dish rinser! We have dishwashers aplenty. The one issue is that if you think the dishwasher is a food disposal unit, you'll likely clog it up. Some people put dishes in with lumps of food on them, or don't put salt in the dishwasher (depends on the tablets you use) and the lifespan of the dishwasher will be impacted. When my old one failed to drain and filled up, I was amazed at how much water came out of it when I shimmy'd it to the back door and released the kraken over the back garden. It was like a tsunami.

reissbaker 6y ago
I think "dish rinser" was meant as a put-down for "bad dishwasher" — I live in the US and I haven't heard of "dish rinsers" either.
- bluGill 6y ago
  Commercial dishwashers are better described are just sterilizers and would be called dish risers if you don't put clean dishes in. They work fast to get dishes ready for safe reuse.

megablast 6y ago

Anyone who cares about the environment does not use a dishwasher.

blacksmith_tb 6y ago
I'd need to see some estimates for handwashing, but it looks like a modern dishwasher uses 4-6gal (15-23l) of water[1]. That's about 1/10th of a bath (sure, if you're conserving water and energy you take showers instead, so it's about 1/3 of a shower). 1: https://www.consumerreports.org/dishwashers/energy-efficient-dishwashers-that-clean-well-save-money/ https://www.consumerreports.org/dishwashers/energy-efficient...
- martyvis 6y ago
  It's not just the power and water use, but the quite harsh and caustic nature of the dishwasher detergent that is a concern in some areas
- shard 6y ago
  I would imagine dishwashing water use varies a lot depending on habits. I have refined my dishwashing over the years to this procedure: 0. use aerating faucet head to increase spread of water. 1. Short splash of cold water to remove stuck-on food, letting it sit if needed. 2. Wash with detergent on wet sponge, no added water. 3. Rinse with cold water, low water volume, with stacked dishes below faucet so that water from the rinse is rinsing dishes below as well. I've never measured how much water is used, but I would think that it's fairly competitive against a dishwasher.
  - koyote 6y ago
    The Miele dishwasher I used to have in my old flat used around 7 litres per wash. My current, not quite as fancy one, uses around 9 litres. That's like just over a minute of the tap being on full blast for an aerated tap. I am sure you could compete with that if you really tried, but from what I've seen a lot of people simply leave the tap on for the majority of the time they are washing the dishes.