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All of these plant based alternatives to meat are garbage filled with processed seed oils and additives. To belive you can "add a vitamin here and there" and t

All of these plant based alternatives to meat are garbage filled with processed seed oils and additives. To belive you can "add a vitamin here and there" and that that makes it a real nutrititious food equivalent of meat is laughably bad scienece, but people for some reason don't seem to get that.

myvoiceismypass 6y ago
The more apt comparison for these types of items talked about in this article is to processed meat products. Do meat eaters eat fast food quality hamburgers on a daily basis for “real nutrition”?
- paulnechifor 6y ago
  It takes more "alchemy" to make vegetables look and taste like processed meat than it takes to turn meat into processed meat. Edit: Wow, vegan valley bros are so easily upset.
  - sthnblllII 6y ago
    It stuffs its face with neoliberal schemes or else it gets the downvote again. Just to add a bit more here, I would be ok with the massive marketing and media push from capital to sell dirt cheap less-nutritious processed foods as a substitute for real meat if the billionaires and such like were actually making tangible sacrifices to their own lifestyles. Obviously they are not, but they still think they can trick us into believing we can be morally superior by paying porterhouse prices for potato flower and xanthin gum.
    - rsynnott 6y ago
      > sell dirt cheap less-nutritious processed foods as a substitute for real meat In general, the primary market for processed vegan food is people who currently buy processed meat-based food. Supermarkets, of course, already sell vegetables and legumes.
- maxk42 6y ago
  Processed meat products (including most fast food hamburger meat) are "processed" by adding textured vegetable protein (TVP). What's TVP? It's processed soy flour. It's what makes up 100% of most meat alternatives on the market. So I'm not sure what point you thought you were making, but you're reinforcing the OP's argument. Edit: Typo.
  - daveoc64 6y ago
    A lot of the "modern" meat/dairy alternatives intentionally don't contain soy, as soy has gained (unfairly in my opinion) a poor reputation. It's a selling point to be soy free.
jgowdy 6y ago
How is this not exactly like margarine or trans fats from vegetable oils? Let's take something natural and replace it with something made in a factory through all kinds of industrial food processes, but since it's made out of vegetables it must be okay! Remember when we were all in consensus on eliminating processed foods? But now that we're replacing meat, processed foods are A-okay. Also, male fertility rates are crashing, but it's definitely not related to ever increasing intake of phytoestrogens...
- knuthsat 6y ago
  There's massively more phytoestrogens in beer than in soy. Fertility rates are crashing because men are getting massively fat.
  - jgowdy 6y ago
    And how are males not getting massively fat due to processed foods and the significant pressure of soybean oil and products based on soybean oil and other processed foods rich in xenoestrogens from factory foods? Yet you’re pointing to “beer” as if it some key ingredient. Does the introduction of beer somehow correlate with the collapse of male fertility rates? Or does the introduction of vegetable based factory foods correlate with the crash of male fertility? It makes me sad that we were about the evidence before but seeding the desired answers now.
    - knuthsat 6y ago
      It was implied that phytoestrogens from soy affect fertility when most of phytoestrogens consumed come from beer. Phytoestrogens do not have any significant effect on male hormones. Getting fat because one eats too much of food is the main reason.
      - hkeide 6y ago
        The calory in calory out (CICO) model is pretty much debunked I think. Some foods affect metabolism, others affect satiety. People in the US had enough food a hundred years ago, yet they weren't morbidly obese.
hkeide 6y ago
The environmental impact is also suspect. There were about as many head of cattle (buffalo) in the US before white people arrived as there are now, but somehow the cows are causing global warming, not you know, fossil fuels.
silveroriole 6y ago
Wouldn’t go as far as ‘garbage’ but they do tend to be filled with soy and grains, which far more people will be allergic/intolerant to than meat.
- rsynnott 6y ago
  While some people are allergic to these, it's not at all common, and those people are likely to also have problems with processed meat (which often contains both).
knuthsat 6y ago
As a vegan I agree that these foods come no where near the nutrition qualities of meat or organs. But I do not think that’s the point.

myvoiceismypass 6y ago

The more apt comparison for these types of items talked about in this article is to processed meat products. Do meat eaters eat fast food quality hamburgers on a daily basis for “real nutrition”?

paulnechifor 6y ago
It takes more "alchemy" to make vegetables look and taste like processed meat than it takes to turn meat into processed meat. Edit: Wow, vegan valley bros are so easily upset.
- sthnblllII 6y ago
  It stuffs its face with neoliberal schemes or else it gets the downvote again. Just to add a bit more here, I would be ok with the massive marketing and media push from capital to sell dirt cheap less-nutritious processed foods as a substitute for real meat if the billionaires and such like were actually making tangible sacrifices to their own lifestyles. Obviously they are not, but they still think they can trick us into believing we can be morally superior by paying porterhouse prices for potato flower and xanthin gum.
  - rsynnott 6y ago
    > sell dirt cheap less-nutritious processed foods as a substitute for real meat In general, the primary market for processed vegan food is people who currently buy processed meat-based food. Supermarkets, of course, already sell vegetables and legumes.
maxk42 6y ago
Processed meat products (including most fast food hamburger meat) are "processed" by adding textured vegetable protein (TVP). What's TVP? It's processed soy flour. It's what makes up 100% of most meat alternatives on the market. So I'm not sure what point you thought you were making, but you're reinforcing the OP's argument. Edit: Typo.
- daveoc64 6y ago
  A lot of the "modern" meat/dairy alternatives intentionally don't contain soy, as soy has gained (unfairly in my opinion) a poor reputation. It's a selling point to be soy free.

jgowdy 6y ago

How is this not exactly like margarine or trans fats from vegetable oils? Let's take something natural and replace it with something made in a factory through all kinds of industrial food processes, but since it's made out of vegetables it must be okay! Remember when we were all in consensus on eliminating processed foods? But now that we're replacing meat, processed foods are A-okay. Also, male fertility rates are crashing, but it's definitely not related to ever increasing intake of phytoestrogens...

knuthsat 6y ago
There's massively more phytoestrogens in beer than in soy. Fertility rates are crashing because men are getting massively fat.
- jgowdy 6y ago
  And how are males not getting massively fat due to processed foods and the significant pressure of soybean oil and products based on soybean oil and other processed foods rich in xenoestrogens from factory foods? Yet you’re pointing to “beer” as if it some key ingredient. Does the introduction of beer somehow correlate with the collapse of male fertility rates? Or does the introduction of vegetable based factory foods correlate with the crash of male fertility? It makes me sad that we were about the evidence before but seeding the desired answers now.
  - knuthsat 6y ago
    It was implied that phytoestrogens from soy affect fertility when most of phytoestrogens consumed come from beer. Phytoestrogens do not have any significant effect on male hormones. Getting fat because one eats too much of food is the main reason.
    - hkeide 6y ago
      The calory in calory out (CICO) model is pretty much debunked I think. Some foods affect metabolism, others affect satiety. People in the US had enough food a hundred years ago, yet they weren't morbidly obese.

hkeide 6y ago

The environmental impact is also suspect. There were about as many head of cattle (buffalo) in the US before white people arrived as there are now, but somehow the cows are causing global warming, not you know, fossil fuels.

silveroriole 6y ago

Wouldn’t go as far as ‘garbage’ but they do tend to be filled with soy and grains, which far more people will be allergic/intolerant to than meat.

rsynnott 6y ago
While some people are allergic to these, it's not at all common, and those people are likely to also have problems with processed meat (which often contains both).

knuthsat 6y ago

As a vegan I agree that these foods come no where near the nutrition qualities of meat or organs. But I do not think that’s the point.